The Dr Who thread

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:22 am 0

piku wrote:
Harlequin wrote:Everything in this universe that came through the breach was sucked back into the void aside from the Cult of Skaro, which had initiated an emergency temporal shift to 1930 (a few years before their landing on the Empire State Building in the Doctor's past). Do keep up.
And they actually fed that to us in the episode, rather than relying on us to work it out? I must have got lost during the "screaming and zapping" part then

Any information that was not in this episode was covered in the last season finale. Aside, that is, from the Daleks' previous visit to Manhattan which was a very long time ago (back about halfway to the thirties from our perspective) and almost certainly entirely irrelevant.

piku wrote:I thought the episode was alright really. It was worth screwing my TV aerial back on for. It was cool seeing an actual Dalek since I've not seen one since one episode in the 80's. I am wondering just how a mutated Dalek is going to be able to scream "exterminate" at people with the same amount of effect though.

You haven't seen the first two seasons yet? Poor piku. Go to here. Go directly to here. Do not pass the next post. Or do, after getting yourself some torrents.

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:55 am 0

piku wrote: Did anyone think this at the end...

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:33 pm 0

I hope his suit gets some Dalek-like designs on it.

If your going too be a hybred you should at least do it with style.

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:40 pm 0

"If you're going to fight, clash!"

Skah T · Post by **Skah T** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:57 pm 0

piku wrote:Did anyone think this at the end...

First thing that popped into mind when they were doing the top-down view before the big reveal

I'm just glad they finally got actors with decent American accents.

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:09 pm 0

Skah T wrote:I'm just glad they finally got actors with decent American accents.

...like that bloke of Casualty

(I actually really liked his performance).

amanset · Post by **amanset** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:43 pm 0

So was the hybrid the spoiler that was on the front of the Radio Times?

amanset · Post by **amanset** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:45 pm 0

Wibble wrote:So this is how they get around that 3 season license deal?

One would assume, but you'd also think that Terry Nation's estate would be mental not to sort out a new deal. The new series has clearly not shat on the memory of Who and they'd lose a fortune in merchandise sales as the marketers would move on to concentrate on something else.

Sir_LANs-a-lot · Post by **Sir_LANs-a-lot** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:49 pm 0

amanset wrote:So was the hybrid the spoiler that was on the front of the Radio Times?

Yep.

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:32 pm 0

To be honest, I'm getting a bit bored of Daleks. Much more, and it'll be like the Borg. Scary as all hell in TNG, stock "We Couldn't Be Arsed to Write This Week" baddy in Voyager. Utterly emasculated in the face of Jayneway quacking another ultimatum at them.

Am I the only one who misses the depth and richness that having a whole season devoted to a single story? Something like the New New New York one could have been cracking - across 12 episodes. The Shakespeare one worked as a single-ep quick-fire, but I just guess I miss the slower pacing, deeper exposition and greater amount of - for want of a better word - storytelling. The season-long "Bad Wolf" thing was tolerably nifty, and we're all fairly convinced Something Big is happenning this season, but it's not the same as a nice, juicy story-arc.

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:40 pm 0

The season-long "Bad Wolf" thing was tolerably nifty,

No it was not.
It was one word, plastered about the place, with the end explanation being "err...just because."
[/old rant]

I'm all for long storytelling and big story archs, and would love too see that in Dr Who

But they would have too be handled properly.
Storyarchs raise expectations, and require viewers too more critical engage with the show. If you cant pull it off, its best not too have them.
Leave them as 2 or more parters.

As for the Daleks, Id like less of them, but I don't feel this recent plot is bad at all.
Acting intelligently, showing inner conflict, and showing them as more then mindless killing machines.

Far better then the Borg, imo.

IronGiant · Post by **IronGiant** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:43 pm 0

They are certainly in danger of over-using the Daleks - I love them but you can have too much of a good thing.

amanset · Post by **amanset** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:48 pm 0

Bog wrote:To be honest, I'm getting a bit bored of Daleks. Much more, and it'll be like the Borg. Scary as all hell in TNG, stock "We Couldn't Be Arsed to Write This Week" baddy in Voyager. Utterly emasculated in the face of Jayneway quacking another ultimatum at them.

Am I the only one who misses the depth and richness that having a whole season devoted to a single story? Something like the New New New York one could have been cracking - across 12 episodes. The Shakespeare one worked as a single-ep quick-fire, but I just guess I miss the slower pacing, deeper exposition and greater amount of - for want of a better word - storytelling. The season-long "Bad Wolf" thing was tolerably nifty, and we're all fairly convinced Something Big is happenning this season, but it's not the same as a nice, juicy story-arc.

The Borg got wussified not due to overuse but because the writers were shit.

The Daleks have been used almost once a series since Dr Who began. Hell, the second ever story was "The Daleks", yet they have remained a menace as the writing has been tight.

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:52 pm 0

The Borg got wussified because species 8472 was totaly Bad-ass, thats way

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:09 pm 0

amanset wrote:
Bog wrote:To be honest, I'm getting a bit bored of Daleks. Much more, and it'll be like the Borg. Scary as all hell in TNG, stock "We Couldn't Be Arsed to Write This Week" baddy in Voyager. Utterly emasculated in the face of Jayneway quacking another ultimatum at them.
The Borg got wussified not due to overuse but because the writers were shit.

The Daleks have been used almost once a series since Dr Who began. Hell, the second ever story was "The Daleks", yet they have remained a menace as the writing has been tight.

Yeah, fair comment on what happenned to the Borg, but familiarity does also breed contempt. The single Dalek that turned up in the eponymous Ecclestone episode was much, much scarier than the whole Cult of Skaro put together. Excessive familiarity? Crap writing? Little bit of both?

And, given that the Cult of Skaro have all seen the Doctor's current incarnation, why haven't any of 'em recognised him, eh? He's right there! Tsk.

They're a brilliant villain. Possibly the single best Who villain. They're getting a bit... meh... now, though.