The Dr Who thread

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:19 pm 0

Reverend Goatboy wrote:Was it not implied in the HN novel that the Other was of earthly origins, and he went into the Gallifreyan genetic looms?

Yup but that's the Virgin novels. I don't think RTD is sticking to that continuity. Shame really since I'd love to see Lisa Bowerman show up.

Sid James · Post by **Sid James** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:19 pm 0

Harlequin wrote:
Reverend Goatboy wrote:So..... Eighth Doctor is totally canon, as seen in the book with McGann's face. Thus the doctor is, according to himself, half human (Eigth Doctor said so). [...]
That the Doctor may have said something to somebody under certain circumstances does not make that statement true.

Sid James wrote:The best piece of TV i've seen this year by a very very long way.
The ending almost brought me to tears!
Only 'almost'?

You heartless bastard.

Don't want the GF to see me cry, i'll ruin all those years of me pretending to be butch

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:31 pm 0

Sid James wrote:The best piece of TV i've seen this year by a very very long way.

The ending almost brought me to tears!

I had a wet face, I'm not ashamed of it. Not ashamed of t'other half wiping 'em off either.

F-ZeroOne · Post by **F-ZeroOne** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:06 pm 0

They wouldn't have had Vickers Guns, because the British Army didn't have Vickers guns until...

Oh, sod it. Fantastic!

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:12 pm 0

Someone used "But the Doctor wouldn't act like that" argument over on OG tonight

The Doctor should not be in the business of inflicting ruthless punishments out of mere vengeance. The Pertwee/Davison incarnations would never have imprisoned the girl in mirrors. Awful lazy writing.

What the poor chap is forgetting is that Doctor 6 would have shot them. Doctor 7 would have done something far, far more terrible. Doctor 8 would have let them do something much worse to themselves and Doctor 9 would have said fantastic and grinned a bit.

The moral? Doctors are all different innit?

Dungeon-Dave · Post by **Dungeon-Dave** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:54 pm 0

I missed the first one and caught it during the friday repeat - thought it a bit "meh" and was curious to the events leading up to him becoming human...

... and this second ep REALLY did it for me. There were some strong players in that one, even from the fringe parts (Baines was a real sneering arrogant cunt that later became quite chilling when posessed by the family). The anti-war message was reinforced several times, not only from the Family ("will they thank you for it?") but also the looks of the frightened schoolkids when faced with an adversary banging against the gates, and the looks of relief when someone mentioned that they'd only killed straw, not anyone real... could these kids do it in reality the following year when faced with wartime situations?

And that final touch with the veterans. Oh, yes. Not in the same league as Blackadder, but a good touch. It makes you wonder what Tim Latimer meant when he knew the war was coming, but still let events play out in the way they did.

You'll notice that they revisit the same theme that Queen Vic did before, in that death and destruction seem to follow the Doctor in the format of Joan's comment - the ending scenes show that being a Time Lord maybe isn't as rosy as people think.

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:07 pm 0

Dungeon-Dave wrote:[...] the ending scenes show that being a Time Lord maybe isn't as rosy as people think.

Of course it is not.

It is Marthary.

H. (apologising for his inability to resist)

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:07 pm 0

Dungeon-Dave wrote:You'll notice that they revisit the same theme that Queen Vic did before, in that death and destruction seem to follow the Doctor in the format of Joan's comment - the ending scenes show that being a Time Lord maybe isn't as rosy as people think.

He is, as said, the last, lost Prince of Gallifrey. Sometimes, "Nice" just won't cut it. Sometime, the only thing that will cut the mustard is being the baddest motherfucker of all time.

You know what? Tennant does the Hangman's Stare just fine.

He can stay.

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:21 pm 0

HGFB wrote:What the poor chap is forgetting is that Doctor 6 would have shot them.

I actually thought along similar lines myself... the little girl and her taunting of everyone that they wouldn't shoot her because of whom she was looking like. If it had been Colin Baker's Doctor, I would have expected him to raise the rifle again and plug one in her straight between the eyes...

Personally, I think the series NEEDS another Doctor like that before the end. Tennant and Eccleston have/had part of it, but they are nowhere near. I do wonder if that's where part of Hugh Laurie's performance of House comes from, he seems the closest similarity on TV at the moment

merman · Post by **merman** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:36 pm 0

Awesome. Latimer's speech about what the Doctor is, the scene with the nurse in the cottage, and a superb pay-off for giving the lad the watch... Why isn't more TV lyrical, intelligent and WATCHABLE like that?

Istar · Post by **Istar** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:40 pm 0

Bog wrote:You know what? Tennant does the Hangman's Stare just fine.

Yeah, I thought that. You could see the attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion, behind that stare.

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:43 pm 0

Istar wrote:
Bog wrote:You know what? Tennant does the Hangman's Stare just fine.
Yeah, I thought that. You could see the attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion, behind that stare.

C-Beams glittered off the Tannhauser Gate.

And my tears were lost, like tears, in rain.

*Hugs Izzy, with bright, wet eyes*

(Not hugging him with my eyes, obviously. You know what I mean. Shut up.)

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:46 pm 0

which youtube like site that isn't actually youtube has a shitload of dr who episodes on it?

IronGiant · Post by **IronGiant** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:55 pm 0

My word, that was excellent. Best New Series Who without a doubt. Best Who ever? Quite possibly. And what an ending ......... now where did I put my hankie ..........

And kudos to the director Charles Palmer, the guy sure knows how to direct!

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:19 am 0

According to the commentary, many people were crying even during the script readthough, especially during some of Mrs Hynes's scenes.

Reverend Goatboy wrote:which youtube like site that isn't actually youtube has a shitload of dr who episodes on it?

Are you perhaps thinking of this and this?