The Dr Who thread

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:24 pm 0

Alarm wrote:I can't remember that, but I do recall hearing previous incarnations of the Master talking from inside the watch shortly before Professor Yana opened it.

I was wondering if that was Delgado and Ainsley too...

Alarm · Post by **Alarm** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:37 pm 0

Mayhem wrote:
Alarm wrote:I can't remember that, but I do recall hearing previous incarnations of the Master talking from inside the watch shortly before Professor Yana opened it.
I was wondering if that was Delgado and Ainsley too...

It was - Delgado says something and Ainsley does his 'trademark'

laugh.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:45 pm 0

I hope when people are criticising the plot they're remembering that this is the first of a three parter and as such we might not be privvy to everything yet.

Ollie · Post by **Ollie** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:06 pm 0

Alarm wrote:I think that when creating the synopsis for this series, RTD wanted to bring the Master back and had to tie it in with the 'last of the Time Lords' idea. He remembered the Human Nature novel and decided to add that to this series, so he could use the Chameleon Arch to bring the Master back. Simple.

I think that was genius, tbh. Ever since the return of the Master was first rumoured, there's been speculation about how it could be that the Doctor was wrong about there being no other Time Lords left. I think it's enormously satisfying that the answer to that came from the meat of a previous episode, rather than a new bit of plot-buggery plastered on top of everything just to make it work.

That's the sort of thing I mean when I say this series hangs together better.

arron · Post by **arron** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:40 pm 0

I hope they tone down the Ainleysque maniacal acting. The Master works so much better in a "Ben Linus" radiating inner evil sort of way which Roger Delgado did so well. Less is more IMHO.

John Sims can underplay extreme characters so well - having watched Life on Mars. It's like seeing some inner devil trying to sneak out and take a turn at the controls.

It would be a shame if they made the new Master some moustache twiddling screaming top hatted silent film villain stereotype. The Master in the Fox TV movie was probably the worst acting effort I'd seen, and Cabinet Room preview seemed to be heading OTT in the same Fox Movie style as well.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:46 pm 0

They said in Confidential that he's a bit mad because he's just regenerated. I'm guessing that by the time we catch up with him next episode his plans have been underway for months and he'll be a bit less frothing. Of course just making Simm play a younger version of Delgado (Who wasn't immune to the pantomime villain act no matter how we try to forget) seems a bit unimaginative to me personally.

arron · Post by **arron** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:53 pm 0

Every Master is different, just as every Doctor is different. It's just that having the Master doing an impression of the Python "Spanish Inquisition" every time he does something a bit naughty gets a bit wearing. An evil genius of the calibre of the Master could be in a catatonic state and still cause evil to occur (in a similar way to Dr Mabuse)..so I always feel that like the Doctor, you should never quite know what sort of reaction you're going to get. But it should be considered and measured, even if a bit maniacial..

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:59 pm 0

To be honest Arron I think you're wearing the rose tinted specs. Ainley was pure pantomime yes but Delgado wasn't huge amounts different (Just in degree). The only other Masters we've had were generic mad deformed people hissing and ranting.

So for me personally a Master who is the Doctor's exact opposite (Brilliant, fast paced, inventive and a genius) but with totally evil intentions is a welcome change. It wouldn't surprise me if RTD introduces motivation for why the Master is who he is as well.

I'm sure you'd love it if they were brothers/loom cousins (Delete as applicable for your personal canon)

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:07 pm 0

I don't think you have anything to worry about though Arron

I think he knows his roots

IronGiant · Post by **IronGiant** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:47 pm 0

Looks like he's getting ready to take off.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:53 pm 0

From the expression on his face I think he's having a piss.

IronGiant · Post by **IronGiant** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:01 pm 0

Sir_LANs-a-lot · Post by **Sir_LANs-a-lot** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:07 pm 0

Col · Post by **Col** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:14 pm 0

Sir_LANs-a-lot wrote:

IronGiant · Post by **IronGiant** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:23 pm 0

Okay, another nit-pick - given that the Doc has, by his own admittance, done a fair bit of modifying on the TARDIS, how the heck did the Master know how to operate it 'just like that' what with all the stop-gap modifications?

I'm sure the bicycle pump must have caused him some puzzlement, and as for the bicycle bell ........