The Dr Who thread

Baggypants · Post by **Baggypants** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:36 am 0

Ollie wrote:
offyoutoddle wrote:Well I just thought that maybe the Face of Boe chose his words to suit the circumstance, rather then him being called YANA for that reason. Maybe Boe was a poetic little fellow.
Well, we're not yet done with Boe, apparently, so maybe we'll find out.

Boe is Captain Jack after the Sten radiation something and the hand-in-a-jar. All perfectly logical.

xav · Post by **xav** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:18 am 0

Ollie wrote:
offyoutoddle wrote:Well I just thought that maybe the Face of Boe chose his words to suit the circumstance, rather then him being called YANA for that reason. Maybe Boe was a poetic little fellow.
Well, we're not yet done with Boe, apparently, so maybe we'll find out.

Hopefully they'll also clear up this little thing that I've been wondering about:

1) FOB has been stated to have lived for a looooong time, but I don't recall any mention of him being a time traveller, or being able to see into the future.

2) FOB died a loooong time before the events in Utopia

3) Presumably Professor Yaffle, sorry Yana, lived something like an ordinary human lifespan. I.e. There hasn't been a loooong time between him being found as a child on FOB's planet and the events of Utopia, just a normal few decades.

In other words, the lives of FOB and Professor Yaffle don't appear to have been concurrent. So how did Boe's "You Are Not Alone" and Yana as an acronym work - or was it just RTD realising that we haven't had a "word of the series" yet, so he'd best squeeze one in.

The only way I can see this being resolved is if Boe is a time traveller, or can see into the future. I might have missed something - is either of those true?

Peltazoid · Post by **Peltazoid** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:23 pm 0

What has bugged me for that episode is that I thought the master had died by being sucked into the `eye of harmony` (bloody stupid firefox is not allowing me to use the single quote mark, keeps giving me a quick find box

) at the end of TV movie. Plus the master had used all his regenerations, having transfered his consciousness to Tremas (Ainley).

So are we seeing an incarnation after Delgados master and before The 13th regen played by Pratt/Beevers? or is this on after that time frame? as He knows the Doctor so it can not be earlier than Delgados.

Plus why had the doctor not sensed the Master back in the 21st century as Mr Saxon is the Master and the doctor can sense other timelords?????

Also we seem to have a paradox with Jack as well. Jack was in the 1940s in the episode the gas mask kid, using the alias with the army of Captain Jack Harkness, taken to the far future made indestructible, sends himself into the 1890s lives all the way through time back to the 2000s Living through the 1940s as Jack Harkness, So there would have been two of them (3 if you count the `real` harkness who died in the war.).. Bizarre, eh.

Purple Grapefruit · Post by **Purple Grapefruit** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:31 pm 0

Stop it!
Your makin' me 'ead spin.

I might haf to av a lie down or watch some who or
summit.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:33 pm 0

Peltazoid wrote:What has bugged me for that episode is that I thought the master had died by being sucked into the `eye of harmony` (bloody stupid firefox is not allowing me to use the single quote mark, keeps giving me a quick find box ) at the end of TV movie. Plus the master had used all his regenerations, having transfered his consciousness to Tremas (Ainley).

He's the Master. He's badass

So are we seeing an incarnation after Delgados master and before The 13th regen played by Pratt/Beevers? or is this on after that time frame? as He knows the Doctor so it can not be earlier than Delgados.

Does it matter?

Plus why had the doctor not sensed the Master back in the 21st century as Mr Saxon is the Master and the doctor can sense other timelords?????

Explained next week I believe

Also we seem to have a paradox with Jack as well. Jack was in the 1940s in the episode the gas mask kid, using the alias with the army of Captain Jack Harkness, taken to the far future made indestructible, sends himself into the 1890s lives all the way through time back to the 2000s Living through the 1940s as Jack Harkness, So there would have been two of them (3 if you count the `real` harkness who died in the war.).. Bizarre, eh.

Why a paradox? If I was immortal Jack I'd just change my name and stay out of the way while non-immortal Jack was hanging around getting laid. He knows when he left with the Doctor and he knows when he arrived.

MadHippo · Post by **MadHippo** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:33 pm 0

Two possibilities that I can think of:

This is NEW Dr Who, and therefore continuity with "Classic" Dr Who is somewhat optional. Oh, and the TV Movie is null & void.

OR

The whole regeneration limit was a sort of total available regeneration energy / total number of timelords equation.. so if they're the only two left, they can regenerate a whole bunch more times. The Master's regeneration energy escaped the eye of harmony, and once free was able to manifest itself in physical form again.

anon76235 · Post by **anon76235** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:53 pm 0

was that a "quarry episode" ?

MadHippo · Post by **MadHippo** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:58 pm 0

FX23- master ov questions wrote:was that a "quarry episode" ?

The beginning was.

Very Peter Davidson era, I thought.

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:25 pm 0

FX23- master ov questions wrote:was that a "quarry episode" ?

Two different quarries. A new one for where they were being chased by the Future Kind and the Impossible Planet one for the outside of the base.

The Time Lords were known to be able to reduce and extend the regenerations available to members of their race so perhaps they were deliberately rationing them during their existence. I am still wondering though, while I would be content to have no answer, where the Master obtained a new Time Lord body from after escaping from the Eye of Harmony.

It has also struck me that the Doctor's own Word of the Season has been integrated far more subtly into the dialogue than the previous 'fantastic' and 'beautiful'.

c64audio · Post by **c64audio** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:28 pm 0

A review of the forthcoming episode on CBBC's website is surprisingly informative, and states that all will be explained. Apparently!

Chris

Col · Post by **Col** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:33 pm 0

I re-watched the episode earlier, and I forgot to say how much I liked the music when the Professor was starting to realise who he was. It was the strings that make the whole scene disorientating.

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:40 pm 0

Col wrote:I re-watched the episode earlier, and I forgot to say how much I liked the music when the Professor was starting to realise who he was. It was the strings that make the whole scene disorientating.

We'll be hearing much more of that music in the coming episodes.

Ollie · Post by **Ollie** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:30 pm 0

c64audio wrote:A review of the forthcoming episode on CBBC's website is surprisingly informative, and states that all will be explained. Apparently!

Chris

Not easy to find, is it? You have to go via the CBBC Newsround page. Or go directly to http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsi ... 763787.stm.

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:36 am 0

Regarding some comments about apparent plot holes, loose ends and continuity problems, I get the feeling that the final two episodes will provide far more answers than might be expected. I suspect that we will have explanations involving story threads from much more than just some of this year's episodes.

Baggypants · Post by **Baggypants** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:11 am 0

HGFB wrote:
Peltazoid wrote: Also we seem to have a paradox with Jack as well. Jack was in the 1940s in the episode the gas mask kid, using the alias with the army of Captain Jack Harkness, taken to the far future made indestructible, sends himself into the 1890s lives all the way through time back to the 2000s Living through the 1940s as Jack Harkness, So there would have been two of them (3 if you count the `real` harkness who died in the war.).. Bizarre, eh.
Why a paradox? If I was immortal Jack I'd just change my name and stay out of the way while non-immortal Jack was hanging around getting laid. He knows when he left with the Doctor and he knows when he arrived.

Good lord, Two people with the same name living in the same country at the same time? How could that possibly work?