The Dr Who thread

juice · Post by **juice** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:21 pm 0

Well: I'm not quite eating humble pie, but that was actually a good episode! At least, once I decided to ignore the Morlocks and the "near-future humans based 400 trillion billion million zillion years into the future" junk. Made no sense whatsoever. Unfortunately, I suspect they'll be back...

The only other worry I have is that the prequel for the next episode seemed to hint at potential high levels of campiness from Mr Saxon - after the tap-tapping of the previous teaser, it's a bit of a letdown.

Still, guess we'll have to wait n see!

betamax · Post by **betamax** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:18 pm 0

HGFB wrote:
Peltazoid wrote:What has bugged me for that episode is that I thought the master had died by being sucked into the `eye of harmony` (bloody stupid firefox is not allowing me to use the single quote mark, keeps giving me a quick find box ) at the end of TV movie. Plus the master had used all his regenerations, having transfered his consciousness to Tremas (Ainley).
He's the Master. He's badass

Yes. Yes he is.

c64audio · Post by **c64audio** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:37 pm 0

I think they seem to have decided to play the Master as "having as much fun doing evil as the Doctor does doing good", which is fine by me. Traditional evildoers may laugh a lot, but they don't look like they're having much FUN.

Chris

Flabio · Post by **Flabio** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:50 pm 0

He's just spent the best part of a human lifetime helping a bunch of humans survive the end of the universe. I think he deserves to kick back a bit. Probably after he's had a shower to remove the stench of all that do-gooding.

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:03 pm 0

c64audio wrote:Traditional evildoers may laugh a lot, but they don't look like they're having much FUN.

Well, Delgado's Master sometimes had fun. He was created to mirror Pertwee's Doctor, however, while Simm's is to mirror Tennant's. I thought that the Hartnell-to-Tennant-type regeneration was an effective reminder of how Time Lords 'evolve' with each life.

Flabio wrote:He's just spent the best part of a human lifetime helping a bunch of humans survive the end of the universe.

If, indeed, he did not trick his Yana self into doing something nastier.

Flabio wrote:I think he deserves to kick back a bit. Probably after he's had a shower to remove the stench of all that do-gooding.

I would also bear in mind, again, that Time Lords are always a bit loopy for some time after regeneration.

By the way, did anyone here notice that the beat of the sound of drums was the same as Saxon's table tapping in the trailer, which in turn is the base beat of the DW theme music?

Stuart B · Post by **Stuart B** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:09 pm 0

One thing I loved about that episode, Yana seemed very Doctorish, almost as if the Master had based his disguise around the 8th Doctor

He even dressed like him to some degree

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:44 pm 0

Stuart B wrote:One thing I loved about that episode, Yana seemed very Doctorish, almost as if the Master had based his disguise around the 8th Doctor
He even dressed like him to some degree

Very Doctorish indeed, right down to the devoted companion and pottering around his laboratory as if it were a TARDIS. I felt that his appearance, however, was closer to that of the first Doctor (hence, in part, my regeneration comments).

Afterthought...

Themes that I have noticed so far this season (aside from FoB/YANA and Saxon/Martha's family):

Genetic alteration (Daleks in Manhattan, The Lazarus Experiment, Human Nature)
Life extension (The Lazarus Experiment, Human Nature)
"Burn with me" (Smith and Jones, 42)
Temporal loops and personal timelines interacting in different relative orders (Smith and Jones[0], The Shakespeare Code[1], Blink[2])

Obsessively observant viewers may also have noticed, in 42, a symbol that was present both on something that Martha has and on something that Saxon's people had.

H.

[0] The Doctor and Martha.
[1] The Doctor and the Queen.
[2] The Doctor/Martha and Sally.

*Edit: Correction

Kamineko · Post by **Kamineko** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:13 pm 0

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Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:32 pm 0

Kamineko wrote:
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Nah. The frilliness is more third/eighth Doctor.

SimonB · Post by **SimonB** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:00 pm 0

HGFB wrote:
Also, the last episode seemed to me to show the Tardis materialising in the underground Torchwood base, so the way Jack got back with the Doctor didn't seem to tie up to me. Did anyone else think this or have I missed something?
Cockup. Torchwood finale was written well before the script for Utopia.

We didn't see the Tardis in Torchwood - just the wind and noise, which presumably could have filtered down the paving slab lift/fountain.

/straw clutching

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:47 pm 0

Are you voting for Harry Saxon? I certainly am.

http://www.votesaxon.co.uk

and have a nice 5meg MPEG2 download

http://flub.scmgames.net/votesaxon.mpg

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:46 am 0

Phwooaar.

Not

Zoot · Post by **Zoot** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:29 am 0

HGFB - I watched "Blink" again last night. I was going to tell you to change your avatar because, whilst the adorable Ms Mulligan surely looks lovely at any time, she looked bloody amazing when she was wet - especially in the instant where she just meets Billy.

So there. But you fucking changed it anyway so it doesn't matter, but I will accept a screen grab of your DVD copy as recompense should you feel sufficiently guilty.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:35 am 0

Don't worry. I'm just showing my support for the duration of the Election and then I'll be back to lusting after the delicious Ms Mulligan again.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:40 am 0

Interesting. The BBC Doctor Who website for this episode has a vote Saxon billboard in the background which changes image to an advert for Lazlabs and most interestingly an advert for a DVD owned by Sally Sparrow.