The Dr Who thread

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:33 pm 0

I doubt if there'll be any details. This is not the place to play Mr. Exposition.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:36 pm 0

Jonesey wrote:Quick coupla questions for any number of anoraks on here -

Has Gallifrey been atomised, like, or is it still there but dead on the surface kind of thing?

All we've been told is that it burned

(I was just wondering, what with the Eye of Harmony and Temporal Vortex still functioning
And is Romana (herself a Time Lord) still knocking about in E-Space?

Considering the Doctor now needs to refuel the Tardis I think a case can be made for the Eye of Harmony no longer being in existence. The Vortex doesn't need the Time Lords to be active and Romana hasn't been in E-Space for ages. In both the books and Big Finish audio cds she's been president of Gallifrey. In the books Romana III was War Queen of Gallifrey during the first great Time War (Now wiped from the time line) and in the Big Finish audios the Lala Ward Romana was President.

I don't have an anorak either. Just an obsession with Doctor Who history

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:39 pm 0

Stuart B wrote:I have a sneaky suspicion that we're gonna finally find out exactly what went on in the Time War in the next two eps

The Doctor has already given Martha all the info off camera but the cunt won't give it to us.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 7c76f7b7ML

He took me to this place called the Eye of Orion. It was beautiful. So calm and still and alien but not in a bad way. . He told me that, back in the old days, the Eye of Orion used to be sort of like a holiday resort. But now it's this shrine to the Time War. It was all ruins and grass and mist and just so quiet. We went to a meadow and standing in it was this stone that was about the same height as me. He said it was a war memorial. I asked him why there weren't any names on it and he said it was because too many people had died. I took his hand and we sat down. And we sat there, huddled under a blanket, drinking tea from an old thermos.

And he told me about the Time War. It reminded me of when I was a kid and Granddad told me about what he did during World War Two. It was this huge, big, incomprehensible historical thing that we learnt about at school but for the people who were there, it was their life. It wasn't something they learnt about or knew what had caused it or anything. One minute they were living their lives as normal, the next they were having to kill people and be killed and fight and... I remember my Granddad crying.

The Doctor didn't cry. He just looked so lost and sad. He told me about what happened at Arcadia and he told me about the friends he'd lost. The Time War was just inconceivably big and as he told me about it, I thought how strange it was that us lot on Earth hadn't known about it. And then I realised that it wasn't the first time a war had been going on in my lifetime which I'd not really noticed. And I felt pretty selfish. I've been so worried about my career and about keeping mum away from Annalise and whether I can afford a new jacket and so many other little stupid things when really I should be thanking people like Granddad and the Doctor for just giving me the chance to live.

Jonesey · Post by **Jonesey** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:36 pm 0

I started to lose interest in Dr Who sometime during the McCoy series to be honest so I don't know anything about audio CDs or books - I suppose my knowledge is pretty old school in that sense!

When the Eccleston series first started I thought the writers had pissed on their chips destroying Gallifrey - in theory it can never be revisited (except in flashback) because of the Temporal Barrier (but then again - audio CD's and books might prove me wrong?!

) Are we never to hear the Cloister Bell again?

Still - The Master's back - and although John Simm is an able actor I can't help but think that perhaps Derek Jacobi should've stayed on.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:38 pm 0

Jonesey wrote:When the Eccleston series first started I thought the writers had pissed on their chips destroying Gallifrey - in theory it can never be revisited (except in flashback) because of the Temporal Barrier (but then again - audio CD's and books might prove me wrong?! ) Are we never to hear the Cloister Bell again?

Temporal barrier? Got me there mate.

We've heard the cloister bell too. During the Children in need scene that follows on directly from Parting of the Ways.

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:56 pm 0

Baggypants wrote:
Harlequin wrote:2000AD references (Smith and Jones
And there I was thinking its was a 70's cowboy show.
what is the 2000AD reference, out of interest?

In Smith and Jones, the Judoon appeared to be inspired by the Judges in both function and attitude. As for Gridlock, RTD has confessed to basing (or "stealing") much of New New York and the characters within it (especially Sally Calypso/Halo Jones and the businessman/Max Normal) on 2000AD comics.

Dio wrote:I doubt if there'll be any details. This is not the place to play Mr. Exposition.

No intricate details, perhaps, but I still suspect explanations for, and other tie-ins to, a great number of plot threads from both this season and the previous ones.

Jonesey wrote:I started to lose interest in Dr Who sometime during the McCoy series to be honest so I don't know anything about audio CDs or books - I suppose my knowledge is pretty old school in that sense!

The first McCoy season was a bit... wrong but once Andrew Cartmel found his feet (and Bonny Langford left) McCoy became one of my favourite Doctors. If you missed them, it might be worth finding and watching those last two seasons.

I also have not followed much of DW in other media, although I have been reading a few of the New Adventures recently (mainly because RTD has been "borrowing" plot pieces, writers and actors from both the books and audio stories).

Jonesey wrote:Still - The Master's back - and although John Simm is an able actor I can't help but think that perhaps Derek Jacobi should've stayed on.

I think that the Master works best as a mirror of the Doctor. Delgado's was created for Pertwee, Ainley's for Davison and Roberts's for McGann. I think that Simm's will work well against Tennant although I could imagine Eccleston with Jacobi's.

arron · Post by **arron** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:58 pm 0

This Time War stuff is all very interesting, I hope they spill the beans soon..I'm really looking forward to finding out more..

Jonesey · Post by **Jonesey** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:06 pm 0

Isn't the Temporial Barrier around Gallifrey the thing that makes time-travelling within Gallifrey's past/future impossible? Dunno - me old mind-cogs could be wrong on this one, mind...

Kelloggs · Post by **Kelloggs** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:13 pm 0

Jonesey wrote:Isn't the Temporial Barrier around Gallifrey the thing that makes time-travelling within Gallifrey's past/future impossible? Dunno - me old mind-cogs could be wrong on this one, mind...

There was, I seem to remember, a transduction barrier, making Gallifrey nigh-on invulnerable. And stopping some time buggeration as well, I would think. TARDISes couldn't get through it without help, that sort of thing. HGFB'll know.

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:32 pm 0

In Invasion of Time, Gallifrey was prevented by the transduction barrier and the quantum forcefield.

The impression I got was always that Gallifrey itself and the Time Lords were stuck on a linear timeline - almost effectively removed from the rest of the universe; a TARDIS could not visit an earlier or later Gallifrey.

The Invasion Of Time potentially mucked that about a bit, mind...

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:57 pm 0

HGFB wrote: The Doctor has already given Martha all the info off camera but the cunt won't give it to us.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 7c76f7b7ML

Martha Jones wrote:The Doctor being even bigger than I thought

PVB · Post by **PVB** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:54 pm 0

Just been watching The Girl In The Fireplace on DVD*, sent to me by a YakYaker.

It's really amazing to me, that an episode of a children's show (according to RTD) can make me blub like a little girl, even after watching the episode for about the sixth time.

All down to a great script/story and great actors I guess.

*Edit: This one:

just in case anyone thinks it was a pirate copy.

stealthbanana · Post by **stealthbanana** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:16 pm 0

are we sitting comfortably.....

Sid James · Post by **Sid James** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:09 pm 0

OH MY GOD

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:11 pm 0

Great.

Allthough it started to go even more Captain Scarlet now with a skybase :p