The Dr Who thread

mightyzim · Post by **mightyzim** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:43 pm 0

So what does the Paradox Machine (that was the Tardis) do then?

clovis · Post by **clovis** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:45 pm 0

Kamineko wrote:
clovis wrote:6 Billion plushies attacking the earth, cool.
<Plushie> clovis is probably YEAH KIND OF LIKE HOVIS

I would just love it if the things inside the robot exteriors were lovely cute furry animals, NOT daleks again.

but they are prob humans of some sort or another.

Of course I have been known to be wrong on many many occasions.

Jonesey · Post by **Jonesey** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:48 pm 0

So what does the Paradox Machine (that was the Tardis) do then?

Breaks some big, important rules!

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:55 pm 0

Paradox machine?

Reckon it's breaking the paradox of this 'new' human race in its little spheres wiping itself out. It will also be the bloody-close-to-a-Deus-Ex that makes everything better at the end once the Doctor takes control of it.

I'd guess the little things inside the spheres will turn out to be tiny humans; a non-killing version of the Tissue Compression Eliminator would be a nice nod to the past, perhaps?

Ollie · Post by **Ollie** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:27 pm 0

Well, the Master rather conspicuously took the thingy with the details of Utopia in the previous episode, so I'm guessing it'll have something to do with that...

(Presumably Utopia itself would be the congregation point for potentially billions of humans from all over the galaxy, not just the ones on that particular rocket.)

lis0r · Post by **lis0r** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:35 pm 0

Paradox machine?

Six billion souls of 8 year old time lords, lost to the vortex, the shells left insane?

xav · Post by **xav** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:25 pm 0

Harlequin wrote:The Doctor fused the coordinates so that the TARDIS could only travel between its current location (at the end of the universe) and its previous one (contemporary London).

Ah yes, its previous location, contemporary London. Strange how contemporary London looked very much like contemporary Cardiff when Jack leaped onto the dematerializing TARDIS.

Or perhaps he actually fused the time circuits to only go back to its previous-previous coordinates, and just got a bit confused in the exposition.

Kamineko · Post by **Kamineko** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:27 pm 0

Considering it had 18 months of temporal leeway, what kind of locational leeway would there be?

Bear in mind he was waving that crappy stick of his every which way in a bit of a panic.

Seriously, who'd have sonic?

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:40 pm 0

Dio wrote:Paradox machine?
Reckon it's breaking the paradox of this 'new' human race in its little spheres wiping itself out. It will also be the bloody-close-to-a-Deus-Ex that makes everything better at the end once the Doctor takes control of it.

I'd guess the little things inside the spheres will turn out to be tiny humans; a non-killing version of the Tissue Compression Eliminator would be a nice nod to the past, perhaps?

Nah, wouldnt be dues-ex like last two seasons, precisely because this solution is predictably with the current information and a bit of thinking.
It would flow quite naturaly from the plot, rather then being a quick fix at the end.

Still, dosnt mean it will happen

KlaxonCow · Post by **KlaxonCow** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:15 pm 0

xav wrote:
Harlequin wrote:The Doctor fused the coordinates so that the TARDIS could only travel between its current location (at the end of the universe) and its previous one (contemporary London).
Ah yes, its previous location, contemporary London. Strange how contemporary London looked very much like contemporary Cardiff when Jack leaped onto the dematerializing TARDIS.

Or perhaps he actually fused the time circuits to only go back to its previous-previous coordinates, and just got a bit confused in the exposition.

Nah, the Master just caught a train from Cardiff to London, didn't he?

I mean, he's invented himself a false history, brain-washed the whole of the UK, designed a flying aircraft carrier, rebuilt the TARDIS as a paradox machine, got in contact with 6 billion robots, got married, made himself Prime Minister, concocted a world domination plan and a whole bunch of other stuff...within 18 months.

I don't think stumping up the cash to buy a train ticket to London would be all that difficult, relatively speaking. Even if, admittedly, they charge the bloody Earth these days on them First Great Western trains.

Edit - though, no, I have no explanation for why Jack's time bracelet thingy dropped them in London. I guess it's just convenient to the plot that it did.

Edit 2 - mind you, as they only ever seem to end up in Cardiff, London or New York, then there must be some "Law of Time" which means you can only end up in one of these three places. A one in three chance of ending up in the right place isn't that bad odds. I guess they struck lucky.

p.s. Okay, bad jokes over, I'm now returning to lurk mode. Just act like I wasn't ever here.

Ollie · Post by **Ollie** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:21 pm 0

OK, here's a question: When the TARDIS arrived 18 months before, on top of Torchwood in Cardiff - where was Jack then?

Gorecki · Post by **Gorecki** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:24 pm 0

Ollie wrote:OK, here's a question: When the TARDIS arrived 18 months before, on top of Torchwood in Cardiff - where was Jack then?

Out in the countryside playing Resident Evil?

xav · Post by **xav** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:43 pm 0

Ollie wrote:OK, here's a question: When the TARDIS arrived 18 months before, on top of Torchwood in Cardiff - where was Jack then?

Duh! That's why Teh Master had to convert it into a paradox machine otherwise Jack would have been up there humping his leg thinking it was The Doctor.

Or perhaps he was downstairs all along, enjoying the way in which The Doctor's hand twitches in response to the presence of a Timelord.

I'm off to bleach my brain now.

Markyp · Post by **Markyp** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:24 pm 0

Harlequin wrote:The Doctor fused the coordinates so that the TARDIS could only travel between its current location (at the end of the universe) and its previous one (contemporary London).

Thanks Harlequin.
So I had heard correctly , that the Master could only take the Tardis to two locations... current-ish era Earth or the version trillions of years hence, overun with Blakes 7 baddies!

Baggypants · Post by **Baggypants** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:01 pm 0

Markyp wrote:
Harlequin wrote:The Doctor fused the coordinates so that the TARDIS could only travel between its current location (at the end of the universe) and its previous one (contemporary London).
Thanks Harlequin.
So I had heard correctly , that the Master could only take the Tardis to two locations... current-ish era Earth or the version trillions of years hence, overun with Blakes 7 baddies!

that depends on how the TARDIS works. If its like something that holds a tunnel open, then yes. if its like a GPS Navigator and its stuck on the destination location, then no.