The Dr Who thread

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:54 pm 0

Reverend Goatboy wrote:Realistically what are the odds of us actually getting Sally Sparrow?

Because I'd fucking love it, I would.

I heard the BBC would be making a big announcement after the last episode aired. I'm guessing that'll be the identity of the new companion. I'm hoping they introduce her in the Christmas special.

Markyp · Post by **Markyp** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:57 pm 0

After all the anticipation waiting for this episode I have got to say.........what a pile of bollox.
That was not a Dr Who episode.
I'm glad some people liked it, each to his (or her) own but
1.Martha as a freedom fighter...come on! And already seen that with Mickey vs the Cybermen.
2.Gollum/Dr-all he needed was his sonic screwdriver in that cage and he could whisper..'my precioussssss'. Didn't like the idea of that creature.
3.A couple of whispered words from the Doc gets the idea to Martha of everyone saying a single word at the same time which will allow the Dr to reverse what the laser screwdriver has done and float toward the Master with a force shield to protect him! For fucks sake. And while you are at it Martha come up with a fake weapon to fool the master and that scientist woman.
In that case
Ok everyone, tell all your friends,everyone you meet, at 6pm tomorrow all say 'sunshine' and maybe the bastard rain will stop.
No better thsn that, lets chant Sally Sparrow, maybe get her to replace Martha.

cclemon · Post by **cclemon** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:59 pm 0

HGFB wrote:I heard the BBC would be making a big announcement after the last episode aired. I'm guessing that'll be the identity of the new companion. I'm hoping they introduce her in the Christmas special.

Tish?
In the TARDIS?
In the maid outfit?

Oh yes.

Col · Post by **Col** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:00 pm 0

I loved that episode. I can see why some people didn't like it, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I did think that maybe it should have ended when the Master died, though.

Ollie · Post by **Ollie** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:05 pm 0

Istar wrote:The Power of Prayer, amplified by a telepathic satellite network.
The Doctor being given Godlike Powers to defeat The Master.

Yeah, not to mention - said telepathic satellite network being powerful enough to give the Doctor said Godlike powers, but apparently its power over mere humans can be broken just by Martha turning up and telling them an inspiring story.

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:09 pm 0

Hmmmmmm.

Companion Saves The Universe, a literal Deus Ex, a bit of a second Deus Ex, a melodramatic death scene and The Ming The Merciless ending.

Not a series highpoint. Could have been worse mind. And the very end was great.

Ollie · Post by **Ollie** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:09 pm 0

Istar wrote:And will somebody please explain to RTD that the inside of the TARDIS exists outside 4-dimensional space, and that the only way the prow of the Titanic could possibly protrude into that interior is if it was another TARDIS, for fucks' sake.

Well, possibly... but OTOH, if the outside of the TARDIS materialises around an object, that object appears inside the TARDIS - so what happens if it materialises stuck halfway through the hull of the Titanic? (Assuming that the circuit that prevents that happening is broken...)

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:10 pm 0

Hasn't psychic energy been established already as something that has a profound effect on matter when used a certain way? So I suppose the biggest clever clogs in all of time and space being able to access all the psychic energy there is can pretty much do what he likes, for a little while. Would the Master have eventually sucked all the psychic energy from mankind and the other woprlds he conquered and used it to transform him into a godlike form? Did the Doctor understand this and, knowing that words have power as per the Shakespear Code, come up with this plan?

I'm not too unhappy with the resolution to Jack though, such as it is. High hopes for Torchwood with proper Jack in it.

And of course the Master will be back. And we've had the multiple Doctors specials, why not the 'Three Masters' with Jacobi, Simm and Mrs. Saxon? Clearly she knew to shoot Simm when the game was up.

Martha's ending was sensible, as not every companion will be Roselike and have two seasons - all would then become predictable.

Enemy wise for the future, get Moffatt to come up with a new big bad to compete with the Master, Daleks and Cybermen. Bring the Editor back, as Pegg was ace. Do allsorts. Can't wait for next year. Interesting, that Titanic must have special properties to break a Tardis wall. Xmas should hopefully have some sort of significance in the grand scheme of things behind it, as explaing how this happens with a throwaway 'temporary changing of the rules' thing would be bollocks of the highest order.

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:12 pm 0

Ollie wrote:
Istar wrote:And will somebody please explain to RTD that the inside of the TARDIS exists outside 4-dimensional space, and that the only way the prow of the Titanic could possibly protrude into that interior is if it was another TARDIS, for fucks' sake.
Well, possibly... but OTOH, if the outside of the TARDIS materialises around an object, that object appears inside the TARDIS - so what happens if it materialises stuck halfway through the hull of the Titanic? (Assuming that the circuit that prevents that happening is broken...)

I think the point is that was why the Doctor was so confused as well.

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:14 pm 0

Ollie wrote:
Istar wrote:The Power of Prayer, amplified by a telepathic satellite network.
The Doctor being given Godlike Powers to defeat The Master.
Yeah, not to mention - said telepathic satellite network being powerful enough to give the Doctor said Godlike powers, but apparently its power over mere humans can be broken just by Martha turning up and telling them an inspiring story.

The Time Lords have always had a lot of psychic powers - think the Matrix on Gallifrey and all that kind of thing, so there are grounds for a lot of that kind of thing in the backstory.

It was still a Deus Ex mind.

Fox · Post by **Fox** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:15 pm 0

the power of the TiVo makes me belatedly type...

Well, that was a bit shit, wasn't it

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:17 pm 0

Looks like a right Marmite episode this one. I seem to be the only one in the middle there

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offyoutoddle · Post by **offyoutoddle** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:31 pm 0

what a tremendous dissappointment. I suppose I should have expected another lazy deus ex. Also, I've never seen so much plagiarism - I mean what the hell was the Doctor turning into Gollum all about, and The Master burnt like Darth Vader. Did they think we wouldn't think that?

Shame Martha is gone too. I thought that was a rubbish rumour, and it turned out to be true. They should have kept her, she was much better than Billy Piper, Freema only added to the series, and didn't ruin a single episode with an inability to carry a scene, unlike her predecessor.

Absolutely gutted. This was not the end to a fantastic series I was hoping for.

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:51 pm 0

How could there be some utterly brilliant bits, wrapped up with some utter, utter shit? Such complete, total crap?

It beggars belief. Oh, well. I'm not saying that anyone who enjoyed it had anything wrong with them or anything, it just was jam-packed with the sort of thing I really don't like.

And, just in case anyone doubted that The Master would get killed off, then the title gave it away very nicely, Mr. Davies you fucking hack.

*sighs*

Oh, well.

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:53 pm 0

Ollie wrote:
Istar wrote:The Power of Prayer, amplified by a telepathic satellite network.
The Doctor being given Godlike Powers to defeat The Master.
Yeah, not to mention - said telepathic satellite network being powerful enough to give the Doctor said Godlike powers, but apparently its power over mere humans can be broken just by Martha turning up and telling them an inspiring story.

But Martha is tapped into that network - note her own drum tapping in the penultimate ep. She is also connected to the Tardis telepathically, as it translates alien languages for her, and so is the Doctor. There's implicitley a lot of networking going on there for those who remember details from across the Ninth/Tenth Doctor series.