The Dr Who thread

[arron]

I doubt if RTD gives a damn - after all, if anyone dares criticise his Dr Who work he just brushes them off as rabid fanboys.

Not sure how CT would react though.

RTDs position in this would collapse like a house of cards if he didn't believe in his own bovine excrement. They say that you can build bridges to heaven if you believe enough, and Doctor Who is a lot like that..after all, look at the season finale. The Doctor as Jesus, performing the Sermon on the Valiant with an audience of millions. RTDs very own divine love fantasy

Dr Who survived despite repeated attempts to kill it because people wanted it to survive in the Eighties. Despite being starved of funds and ridiculed by serious television proponents, it still managed to keep going through a sense of belief of the people who wanted it. Rather than acting like a villain and killing off something that people want, you need to turn the whole situation around so people are begging for it to be cancelled, so then you look like a benevolent figure putting a sick and dying programme out of it's misery. Destroy hope and belief in something and nothing will stop it crashing to the floor. It works for religion, governments, unproven scientific theories and television fantasy..

The weak spot in all this is the ego of the established actors and production team. If you can get a wedge in that crack, then you split the whole thing apart so wide you could drive the Titanic through it. It happened to Python, and you can do it to any production. Putting CT on the team could just be the first step to making that happen..

Then there will be no hope of the resurrection, any more than Gary Glitter will be getting back in the charts with a new album any time soon..

[Ollie]

I doubt if RTD gives a damn - after all, if anyone dares criticise his Dr Who work he just brushes them off as rabid fanboys.

From the commentaries I've listened to, he seems to positively revel in doing things that annoy the fans.

[KlaxonCow]

At first I thought the Jack = Face thing was a bit contrived and surely at one point he would have called the Doc over and said "btw, I used to want to jump your bones" but then came to the conclusion that (a) he's older and wiser or (b) he's older and forgotten a lot of stuff from his past while he still had a body and just knew that he needed to tell the Doc he wasn't alone but couldn't remember by etc.

...or (c) he couldn't tell the Doctor because, at the time of defeating the Master, the Doctor didn't know (and the Face of Boe, being Jack, recalls this was the case at that time). Therefore, he couldn't tell the Doctor he was Jack or he'd have altered the course of events from how they were supposed to happen (where the Doctor succeeded in defeating the Master and, thus, he had to keep quiet, lest risking changing the past to a situation where the Doctor didn't succeed).

Remembering that Jack is a "time agent" and capable of time travel himself, he'd be more than familiar with such "rules of time" to understand the importance and significance of not doing anything that wasn't supposed to happen anyway.

At least, it makes sense from the point of view of how time is generally dealt with on Doctor Who (closer to the "Back to the Future" rules of time, rather than, say, the more realistic "the Butterfly Effect" rules of time). Of course, if you analyse the logic too closely, it will fall apart because time travel violates "cause and effect" logic but, you know, within the special internal rules of time travel fiction, it makes sense that he didn't say anything.

The "Yana" thing sort of holds up from the perspective that Jack was around when the Doctor worked that out, so he remembered that he should say it before dying. This is self-fulfilling (e.g. a case of the cue ball potting itself) but that kind of logical loop - whilst breaking entropy - is self-consistent and theoretically possible, even if naturally somewhat illogical (because it's information that is creating itself out of thin air).

Well, it holds up according to the established Doctor Who "rules of time". It's self-consistent to its own internal logic (even if confusing but, well, that's time travel for you), so that's alright. I won't defend that there's any scientific realism to it, though. But it holds up from a "time travel fiction" point of view.

[HGFB]

Don't worry guys. RTD isn't taking away the classic series.

You'll still have it

[Purple Grapefruit]

Yes.Not like nowadays, putting up with all those awful working class people
on their council estates, with their commoness, their stupitidy,
their horrible voices, their mannerisms and their families! Not like the good old days
when we had stars like Bonnie Langford!What we need is good
old fashioned middle class people as companions ....actually
hold on that Blue peter fella was crap.

[Zoot]

Well, I watched the "Runaway Bride" again the other night and still think that Catherine Tate will be ace.

I also watched the Second Season finale last night and am just as convinced as ever that Freema Agyeman is rubbish - both in her role as Martha and the other one.

As another observation, after watching the Torchwood woman (her from Eastenders who became a Cyberperson) and also Billy Piper, the best description of the Season Two finale must, indeed, be:

"Bouncy, bouncy, bouncy, bouncy, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun....."

[DutchLlama]

Oh, and as for the dogs meaning they couldn't go outside - that was only because it was night time. OK for everyone to pop out and think Doctor in the day time.

Well if you ever saw the episode Mad Dog from the '70s TV series Survivors or the '90s miniseries The Last Train you know that rabid hungry dogs can be quite a menace in a post-apocalyptic situation, night or day. It's only the rats who are worse (the Survivors two-parter Lights of London completely freaked me out during the scenes with the rats).

[Fox]

http://www.frozenreality.co.uk/comic/bu ... php?id=927

[xav]

Oh, and as for the dogs meaning they couldn't go outside - that was only because it was night time. OK for everyone to pop out and think Doctor in the day time.

I just assumed that all the dogs were somewhere else, all barking "Roctor!" in a Scooby-doo style

[Kamineko]

Does the Doctor disarm all the time agents he comes across? (Seems like they'd run into each other often)

[KlaxonCow]

Does the Doctor disarm all the time agents he comes across? (Seems like they'd run into each other often)

Ah, but maybe BECAUSE the Doctor has a tendency to disarm Time Agents when he runs into them, that the Time Agents generally avoid meeting him.

Captain Jack's ship was invisible and hiding when we first met him, remember. He only broke cover to save Rose's arse hanging off that balloon.

You know, "rules of time" and all that.

Actually, how do Time Agents avoid creating paradoxes? The Doctor's TARDIS does that automatically for him (well, according to classic Who it does, but don't know if RTD still considers that canonical. Did Eccleston Who have to override anything when he - quite idiotically - took Rose back to the same time and space repeatedly? It's like with the Ghostbusters, you shouldn't cross the streams...of a person's personal time-line. Instant paradox threat from doing that. The Doctor must have also fancied Rose's arse too to be so stupid as to even risk it. But I suppose if love is blind and all that, he might have been in a particularly foolish mood, showing off to the birds what a big tiemcock he's got and stuff).

[Kamineko]

Hmm...

*straps second Vortex Manipulator above ankle and pulls sock over it*

[SimonB]

Runaway Bride repeated on BBC3 tonight so you can give Tate another look.

[Governmentyard]

Sweet

[Zoot]

Runaway Bride repeated on BBC3 tonight so you can give Tate another look.

She's got nice tits.