Official Nintendo Fanboy Smugness & Gloating Thread

[Nintendodragon]

I dont want to give away too much about it until i get the facts straight, but basically my friend represents a company, and Nintendo have apporached him to sort out a deal. It will be tres cool if it gets the go ahead.

[grue]

Goddammit, I went out for a walk and came home with a Wii and a copy of Zelda.

Say goodbye to social life.

[IronGiant]

A quickie Wii video question ........... I have a PAL Wii, if I was to use a component cable (modded if required) and plug it in a component to VGA converter, would it work fine on a VGA monitor?

Would the picture be comparable to RGB?

Would there be any restrictions at all in terms of using it, games I could play on it, etc?

It should work fine so long as you have the Wii set to 4:3 display mode and you're using an old CRT monitor. I've had mixed results getting 16:9 console displays to work on CRTs and you'll be lucky to get anything at all out of TFT.

Thanks, just come across this newly released component to VGA converter:

http://www.xcm.cc/xcm_1080p_vga_box.htm

which looks like it'll do the trick. Not sure if the quality is comparable to RGB though. Looks like it also displays the Wii menu, etc as opposed to only working with certain games. At least, from what I can tell ...........

[TFO]

Goddammit, I went out for a walk and came home with a Wii and a copy of Zelda.

[WiteWulf]

which looks like it'll do the trick. Not sure if the quality is comparable to RGB though. Looks like it also displays the Wii menu, etc as opposed to only working with certain games. At least, from what I can tell ...........

Converting component to VGA is isn't exactly difficult, the output to monitor should be better than RGB on a TV, tbh.

[IronGiant]

Converting component to VGA is isn't exactly difficult, you should the output to monitor to be better than RGB on a TV, tbh.

That's good to hear.

Unfortunately the unit I mentioned is so new that there are no reviews for it yet so no clue as to its output quality yet.

[Bubba]

Converting component to VGA is isn't exactly difficult, you should the output to monitor to be better than RGB on a TV, tbh.

That's good to hear.

Unfortunately the unit I mentioned is so new that there are no reviews for it yet so no clue as to its output quality yet.

It's output quality will be far better than the Wii can manage . In fact, any 480p component box will be sufficient for the Wii and should give a VGA quality picture at similar resolution.

Cheers

Bubba

[IronGiant]

Excellent. I wonder if it will correctly handle the 'lower res', interlaced Wii channels/menus, etc.

[Anders]

Goddammit, I went out for a walk and came home with a Wii and a copy of Zelda.

Say goodbye to social life.

Yeah, I guess... I got caught up in that tennis game in Wii Sports. Loads of fun, even if I play it like a monkey with arms flailing all over the place. I haven't even tried Zelda yet.

[PumaG]

Converting component to VGA is isn't exactly difficult, you should the output to monitor to be better than RGB on a TV, tbh.

That's good to hear.

Unfortunately the unit I mentioned is so new that there are no reviews for it yet so no clue as to its output quality yet.

It's output quality will be far better than the Wii can manage . In fact, any 480p component box will be sufficient for the Wii and should give a VGA quality picture at similar resolution.

Cheers

Bubba

I disagree, some VGA boxes over the years have been crap, and the main benefit here is coming from the superior quality of a VGA CRT running in progressive compared to a an old CRT TV.

Component is just a form of S-video with 1 extra wire, Ive used CRT TV with component and scart for years and the RGB scart have always been better with consoles, RGB from the console straight to the tube, where as I think component is already converted from RGB in the console to component then the Tv converts it back to RGB to the tube.
Which Im sure you either knew anyway or will correct me

Thee is nothing wrong with the output from the Wii only that it doesnt have a VGA connection.

[chub]

Rockstar's Table Tennis is coming to the Wii - http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=79999

Guaranteed to give you a bit of a workout I reckon, going by the speeds it gets up to on the 360 version.

[IronGiant]

Thee is nothing wrong with the output from the Wii only that it doesnt have a VGA connection.

Just to show my ignorance here - what's so different about component when compared to RGB?

For example, how can component drive a VGA monitor when RGB can't? I know it's down to the horizontal scan rate and resolution but I always viewed both component and RGB as 'connectivity mediums' only.

Okay, ignorance well and truly shown, over to the experts.

[WiteWulf]

Just to show my ignorance here - what's so different about component when compared to RGB?

For example, how can component drive a VGA monitor when RGB can't? I know it's down to the horizontal scan rate and resolution but I always viewed both component and RGB as 'connectivity mediums' only.

Okay, ignorance well and truly shown, over to the experts.

Right the answer to this can get as complicated as you want it to

It's probably best to also describe composite and s-video so get the big picture.

Composite - carries the whole video signal down one wire; red, green, blue, brightness, the lot. Worst possible picture (after UHF TV modulated signal).

S-Video - splits the video signal into seperate colour ('chrominance') and brightness ('luminance') components. As the last sentence suggests, this is technically a type of component signal, tho not what is generally associated with the term. Each component is sent down a seperate wire allowing for more bandwidth for each. Often leads to colour boundaries bleeding due to limited bandwidth (Remember HAM on the Amiga, anyone? That was the digital equivalent ).

RGB - splits the video signal into seperate red, green and blue luminance components carried on three wires. This allows the greatest bandwidth possible for each colour but is inefficient as the human eye isn't actually equally sensitive to each of the three colours. Which leads us onto...

Component - again splits the video signal into three: Y carries a full copy of the green component and is the same as the G component in an RGB signal (note you can also connect the Y component to a composite input and get a perfectly good black and white image). The Cb and Cr components carry only the mathematical difference from the Y image for the blue and red components of the image (you might also see PbPr, this is the analogue equivalent). Less bandwidth needs to be given over to the Cb and Cr parts of the signal (typically a ratio of 4:2:2 for high-end Betacam and 4:2:0 for DVD and MPEG2 applications).

Component and RGB aren't intrinsically any better, picture quality-wise, than each other (imho, let the flaming begin). The benefits start to appear when you have to convert between colour spaces, computers and games consoles almost always operate in the RGB colour space internally so to connect a console to a TV by component you need to convert from RGB to YCbCr (RGB is only used in PAL territories so component tends to be more prevalent as an output option on consoles).

Having said that, it's a lot easier to convert a YCbCr component signal to VGA than it is to convert an analogue RGB signal (as output by a games console).

For more info (and, no doubt, clarification) check out the excellent Wikipedia entries for YCbCr, YPbPr, 4:2:2 Chroma Subsampling, RGB, etc.

[IronGiant]

Thanks very much for that , most informative.

I'm still puzzled why component can be used with a 31KHz VGA monitor and RGB cannot, but I'll look at Wiki and see if that helps.

[Samus]

Goddammit, I went out for a walk and came home with a Wii and a copy of Zelda.

Say goodbye to social life.

Yeah, I guess... I got caught up in that tennis game in Wii Sports. Loads of fun, even if I play it like a monkey with arms flailing all over the place. I haven't even tried Zelda yet.

With Wii Sports, it's more like say hello to your social life