The definitive Space Giraffe thread

Sir_LANs-a-lot · Post by **Sir_LANs-a-lot** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:12 am 0

Stop sweating it. Like has been mentioned - You can't please ALL the people ALL the time.

I'm sure there'll be some reviews that love it.

Here:

NickMon · Post by **NickMon** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:12 am 0

Yak wrote:I guess I am just a little frustrated that I should have to defend our creation against incompetent shitforbrains after it's taken so much time, effort and emotion to get it out there. That is what I hated about the crap the Rev used to spew, that somehow we didn't care about what goes out. Fuck me we care, more than most people making games I reckon, and for some shithead with an axe to grind to basically publically opine that emulations with a bit of slap on are actually what is right for XBLA rather than the fucking bane of it and that anyone actually trying to do something they give a shit about is so wrong as to warrant the lowest fucking score attributed is...

...well it just makes me want to give up and not fucking care any more, to do a Braybrook or Goat knows what. After that much investment of effort and emotion, to have it all casually tossed back in your face, it's like... what the fuck. Why even bother, if those that judge you are so fucking stupid. It's like running a marathon and you get to the end and even if you don't expect a gold medal maybe you'd hope for some appreciation at least of the fact that you've achieved something and what you get is a kick in the nuts.

Fuck that.

My world would be a much smaller and unhappy place if you stopped all this...

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:13 am 0

Jeff, as has been already said here we could trot out endless lists of good stuff that's had some right shite reviews over the years. It's an occupational hazard and all that. There will be much, much better ones I'm sure.

How's the PR for Space Giraffe been going so far?

Kamineko · Post by **Kamineko** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:14 am 0

Rib wrote:
shimeril wrote:
skweek wrote: As someone once said to me : "Don't worry, be happy"
Noooooo. The song is now in my head. You utter bastard!

bobby mcferrin got a grammy for that song!

Bobby McFerrin did a song called 'Noooooo. The song is now in my head. You utter bastard!'?

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:14 am 0

Nah of course I'm not going to stop.

But morons like OXM-genius and fucking idiots who read such tosh and then write off my game, and people who just hate me for trying to do as decent job just make me want to fucking hurt them.

Kamineko · Post by **Kamineko** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:16 am 0

Wait... woah... who hates you?

I can't imagine anybody has complete hatred for you or Llamasoft because you write games.

Edit - *after reading the link from HGFB*

That's... weird.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:17 am 0

Yak wrote:Joy. So the OXM cretin really *has* damaged us. Fucking hell.

I'm just saying that handing a large chunk of your potential audience a score and review like that won't be helping. You can be positive about it yes and I'm sure most reviews will be good but some people are just sheep (In the bad way). There are even a couple of people here (Of all places) who seem to believe bad reviews far too easily.

And what is it with the goddamn hate anyway? All I've ever tried to do is make fun games for a reasonable price. Fucking hell, yeah, that makes me so fucking despicable. Fuck's sake.

It's the internet. It's shitcock city. Everyone famous gets it. You're an developer of some excellent games. The people with the hate are just pissed because you get to sit at home making ace games and feeding your beasties while they get shouted at by their manager in McDonalds. I'd be as upset as you if it was happening to me but unfortunately it's a fact of life these days. You get sucessful and people will hate it. The internet provides a shield for people to say anything they like. Stuff they wouldn't say to your face in a million years. As I said we do it to other people here ourselves.

IMO the best way to counter the OXM shitcock is to give the gaming sites with no Partnernet access a chance to try it for themselves in advance of the launch. OXM reviewing it from Partnernet is a cheat they shouldn't be allowed to have to be honest. It makes MS complicit by my reckoning.

Istar · Post by **Istar** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:28 am 0

HGFB wrote:Here's the SG thread on rlluk

Worth pointing out that all but the last three posts date from January 07, the last three from July 07, and therefore nothing written there is a consequence of the OXM review.

Flabio · Post by **Flabio** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:31 am 0

Molyneux never lets the bad press stop him. I really can't see him ever retiring, he just loves making games too much.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:34 am 0

Istar wrote:
HGFB wrote:Here's the SG thread on rlluk
Worth pointing out that all but the last three posts date from January 07, the last three from July 07, and therefore nothing written there is a consequence of the OXM review.

Yup. I was just using that as an example of the random Jeff hating shitcocks. Since the OXM mag is subscriber copies until next week it hasn't really spread very far yet. The links have already been posted in this thread. I didn't need to repeat them. Hopefully a few good sites will have done reviews of their own by then.

I apologise to you Jeff if I upset you. I didn't mean to.

Glyndwr · Post by **Glyndwr** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:36 am 0

You would think though that if somewhere was to give a score of 2 to a gave then he/she would ask a colleague to have a quick look to see if they were being too harsh.

When I used to buy games I wouldn't consider a game with a review score of less than 8. So for a me a 2 would be an instant no.

However, whenever I bought a magazine, be it xbox, dvd or whatever, the first reviews I read are always the lower scoring ones.

Yak, Giles.... it'll all come out in the wash, don't worry yourselves.

I can imagine how much you two are actually hurting from this. I've written software that people have said was crap which I was genuinely proud of. I was devastated for a while.

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:37 am 0

I never expected everyone to fall in love with SG, but that doesn't mean they hate Jeff or are trying to sabotage him or whatever. Maybe they just didn't like it?

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:38 am 0

What surprised me the most is the Eurogamer forums. They're normally shitcock city but their SG thread has been really good.

http://www.eurogamer.net/forum_thread_p ... 02&start=0

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:49 am 0

HGFB wrote:The problem here Harl is you're not frequenting the right forums to see the reaction I described first hand.

The reasons to which I previously referred:

I wrote:
james_bass wrote:And this being from the "Official" Xbox Magazine? From a conspiracy point of view, this little excercise will probably/hopefully cause more copies to be sold. 2 out of 10 is so *conspicuous*. I see a cult classic in the making. You just wait for the other reviews. And the sales.
[...]
I hate it in a way as well, but step back from it, try to laugh at the idiocy - the idiotic lunacy of this supposed ignorant review - and try to see it as the ultimate compliment in a world of banal and boring games and even duller/annoying associated marketing bullshit and moribund print journalism.
I agree. A 'Marmite', love it or loath it work is likely to attract far more interest than something average, and on XBLA interest translates into people trying the actual demos.

The emphasised factor is one which, I think, makes a major difference to the scenario you propose.

I wrote:No[t] only would those who would never have tried it be more likely, in my opinion, to do so, I think that those who enjoy the game will be more vocal in opposing those whom dismiss it on the basis of no experience.

The review would only make a difference by being used as ammunition by those who already sprout negative opinions of Llamasoft games on name alone. That would be easy to counter once the game is released, especially given the nature of XBLA demos.

HGFB wrote:It's good to be optimistic Harl and I'm convinced SG will eventually do well and prove OXM wrong but outside of YY there is a bizarre subculture that pops up with the hate whenever Jeff is mentioned. The same thing happens here whenever Michael Moore is mentioned. Arron and Fil seem to spend most of their irc time these days banging on about how much they hate Richard Dawkins. Lots of us were pleased that Paris Hilton got sent to jail. If you were a fan of Paris Hilton and came here to post positive things about her you'd be drowned in a sea of hate. If another person then came here looking for info about Paris Hilton what would they find?

My position is not, I assure you, founded on optimism alone. I am a congenital cynic.

That publicly recognised people are criticised and ridiculed is a fact of human nature which has always been with us. It is to be expected by anyone who wishes who they are and/or what they do to be exposed to public scrutiny. I am indeed often irritated by people being seemingly unaware of their hypocrisy in savagely criticising others whilst exploding over negative comments about themselves.

Yak wrote:And what is it with the goddamn hate anyway? All I've ever tried to do is make fun games for a reasonable price. Fucking hell, yeah, that makes me so fucking despicable. Fuck's sake.

What hate? And who has despised you?

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:53 am 0

Harlequin wrote:The emphasised factor is one which, I think, makes a major difference to the scenario you propose.

The problem there is people who have already made up their minds based on the OXM review. They see the review and think it's so bad it's not even worth trying. They already know they won't like it. OXM said so. Meow decides he won't like games because a review said it was short.