Bug squishing

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:58 pm 0

I would say don't focus on sound issues. That's likely audio lib territory and nothing we can do aught about.

Gameplay issues please people.

gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:01 pm 0

l1n3n01z wrote:
bcass wrote:
axel000 wrote:
bcass wrote:OK, I don't know if this is a bug or what. I've brought it up in a few other threads and no response has been forthcoming so I'll bring it up here. Basically, when using a custom soundtrack, the music seems to lose some of it's bass when played in SG. As soon as you exit the game back into the full dash, the bass returns.
I have noticed this in many games when using a custom soundtrack, Geometry Wars evolved comes to mind. Did you try opening the blade and increasing the volume within the music player itself ?

Did you go to the SG options and check the music and sound effects balance ? I think custom soundtracks are balanced differently in the 360 vs in game tracks, I've come across this in other titles.
It's not a volume issue, it's a bass issue. I have always had the music volume in SG set to 10.
Giles: Is it possible that the two channels are being played out of phase, maybe because of some effects or some such thing? Do you guys do anything to the audio at all, apart from analyzing it? Does the analysis use some comb filters, that are allowed to play through? Are you delaying the signal so that you have some buffer to analyze, and inadvertently creating a comb filter?

I'd say "impossible".

The audio is played for the soundtrack is "the same thing" if it would be
played by the user only that I start the player with my own track, when
the player plays his tracks he simlpy overrides mines and when it's
finished the player returns to play mine.

It should be "as simple as that" I am not "restreaming" or doing anything
of the audio and what I capture for the Neon processing is "what passes by", there's
no modification on it.

To be honest I never heard that difference, I'll investigate but sounds to
me something incredibly odd.

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:03 pm 0

just to clarify, what we're looking for is exploits and any gameplay anomalies. This isn't a wishlist, it's a one-shot chance to fix things that might distort the gameplay should they exist.

Meatpuppet · Post by **Meatpuppet** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:13 pm 0

Will the patch 'wipe' the players current level start bonuses? Necessary I would have thought, if not already factored in.

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:37 pm 0

Yeah, there will be a purge of the universe when we patch. Since the patch will alter scoring possibilities it'd be unfair not to have a complete reboot of everything.

Sir_LANs-a-lot · Post by **Sir_LANs-a-lot** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:03 pm 0

D'oh!

Oh well *shrug*, just means I'll have to play it more then..

Jamesac · Post by **Jamesac** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:08 pm 0

I've got one, although it's hardly anything major-

Frequently when I beat a new level with two lives left, I'll get a New Start Bonus of XX,XXX,XXX points. Obviously, with only two lives left, this isn't going to get applied, but the message appears anyway. I'll get to testing a bit more, but I think it only appears when I've got the L-trigger pulled to speed level transition.

It's a bit vague, I know, but I'll play some more tonight and give better specifics.

Standard Core 360 w/ hard drive, wired controller, SD tv.

James

axel000 · Post by **axel000** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:24 pm 0

Yak wrote:Yeah, there will be a purge of the universe when we patch. Since the patch will alter scoring possibilities it'd be unfair not to have a complete reboot of everything.

Achievements will stand though right ? That bloody "i love my 64" was a tough one !

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:32 pm 0

Jamesac wrote:I've got one, although it's hardly anything major-

Frequently when I beat a new level with two lives left, I'll get a New Start Bonus of XX,XXX,XXX points. Obviously, with only two lives left, this isn't going to get applied, but the message appears anyway. I'll get to testing a bit more, but I think it only appears when I've got the L-trigger pulled to speed level transition.

It's a bit vague, I know, but I'll play some more tonight and give better specifics.

Standard Core 360 w/ hard drive, wired controller, SD tv.

James

Are you sure you're not confusing the "start bonus awarded" text with the "start bonus set" text? I'm pretty sure the "set" message does not appear unless it is in fact set.

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:33 pm 0

axel000 wrote:
Yak wrote:Yeah, there will be a purge of the universe when we patch. Since the patch will alter scoring possibilities it'd be unfair not to have a complete reboot of everything.
Achievements will stand though right ? That bloody "i love my 64" was a tough one !

Yeah, achievements should be safe since they are pretty much all progress based rather than score based.

Jamesac · Post by **Jamesac** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:41 am 0

Yak wrote:Are you sure you're not confusing the "start bonus awarded" text with the "start bonus set" text? I'm pretty sure the "set" message does not appear unless it is in fact set.

-Bumps high score up another couple of million-

Well hell, maybe that's it after all. All this time I was reading it as Start Bonus Awarded rather than Added. Sorry, apparently my reading skills are dying on me.

James

Googer · Post by **Googer** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:28 am 0

bcass wrote:
tentaclesex wrote:bcass, do you notice a slight reverb effect as well, by any chance?
Not reverb as such, more of a 'tube' effect, if that makes any sense. It's difficult to describe.

What you're hearing is a slight reverb type of effect, because you're hearing the music once from the 360's music player, and a 2nd time from SG itself, playing slightly offset from each other (on the order of 1/60th of a second, I'd say). To make the effect go away, just drop the volume on one of the two down to zero. At least that's what I've found.

CarlBillen · Post by **CarlBillen** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:03 am 0

I mentioned a minor UI-bug somewhere in the "Leaderboard Bug (I've Lost WiredWorm)" thread, which may have been drowned in the "I can't see all my friends on the friends leaderboard" bug messages. I call it "The 'Next Page'/Right Button works sometimes on the Friends Leaderboard" bug.

This was what I noticed when I only had 2 pages of 'Friends' on the Friends leaderboard:

I've removed some of my friends so that my total is now 49, but the effect is still the same... So it's not a magical '50 friend bug'... I still only see two pages of friends (around 17).

I did notice that the 'right button' doesn't work when I am filtering by 'Friends'; the 'left button' brings me the last of the list (wraps around because it is 'previous page'), but the 'right button' does nothing... If I am filtering on My Score, or the other non-Friend filter, I can use the right button (it jumps to the next page)...

And later I wrote:

I've noticed that now, while more friends have played the game, I have 3 pages of friends on the leaderboard when the Friends selection is there... (WiredWorm has reappeared, PVB is still missing). The 'right button' (goto next page) works as longs as it is not the first, or the last page when the Friends Filter is selected. It is weird that it does work on the 'My Score' and "Overall Score' pages without any problems (I can go to the first and last page there, and the 'next page'/'right button' works correctly...)

It can be that it is already fixed together with the other leaderboard bug, but I thought I'd mention it again, because I didn't see it in the list of "Bugs already fixed". I am currently at work so I can't try to reproduce it right now. I have a 360 Premium, connected to an SD TV via Scart. (though I think it's irrelevant for this bug).

franki · Post by **franki** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:15 am 0

I've noticed that now, while more friends have played the game, I have 3 pages of friends on the leaderboard when the Friends selection is there... (WiredWorm has reappeared, PVB is still missing). The 'right button' (goto next page) works as longs as it is not the first, or the last page when the Friends Filter is selected. It is weird that it does work on the 'My Score' and "Overall Score' pages without any problems (I can go to the first and last page there, and the 'next page'/'right button' works correctly...)

i also just noticed this. i have two pages of friends according to the SG leaderboard. the RB doesn't do anything, the LB flips between the pages. when I drop the friends filter, both buttons work fine.

ALSO, this might be new, I added a bunch of friends from rllmuk forum. Most of them are still listed as Friend request pending but they ALL now appear on my friends leaderboard, even though they've not confirmed they want to be my friend. This might be trivial, thought i'd mention it. certainly not a gameplay issue.

If it wasn't showing the request pending friends, i'd only have one page of friends. Perhaps this is contributing to the RB not working issue, i dunno.

Zoot · Post by **Zoot** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:47 am 0

Yak wrote:Yeah, there will be a purge of the universe when we patch. Since the patch will alter scoring possibilities it'd be unfair not to have a complete reboot of everything.

Always assumed that this was going to be the case and am happy because it will cause me to go back to the beginning and play the early levels using later found skills

However, I thought that someone had said in an earlier thread that the next time youconnect to Live that the leaderboards would re-sysnch to whatever was on the machine?