Official Nintendo Fanboy Smugness & Gloating Thread

amanset · Post by **amanset** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:22 pm 0

PumaG wrote: Wii, cheaper than some mobile phones,

If you look at the actual price of a mobile phone, away from any subsidies from the service provider, I'd argue that it is cheaper than most mobile phones.

Mele · Post by **Mele** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:34 pm 0

The Caffeine Kid wrote:
Mele wrote:I don't agree with Wii being cheap after 4 controllers, nun chucks and cables it cost about the same as a ps3.
Are you comparing that to a PS3 with four controllers? I think not.

No I'm not but I'm talking about the console in general we could nit pic with blu-ray, hard drive etc. The wii is designed to be played multiplayer , the 360 online with live , ps3 multimedia hub. The thing is if you got wii sports to play with friends like the adverts show you it costs. The price for 360 and PS3 basic and most people will only need 1 or two controllers isn't that far apart. Certainly not the great difference that is sometimes implied.

xav · Post by **xav** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:35 pm 0

Mele wrote:I would love to just stick a HDMI in a Wii

Which would just give you a grossly underpowered machine for HD. It's not just a case of sticking in an HD video chip; the rest of the machine has to be able to push enough pixels to do justice to an HD signal.

Given that the PS3 is heavily subsidised while Nintendo prefer to make a profit on the Wii hardware, this theoretical HD Wii would be have to be priced much higher. A higher price would immediately make it a direct competitor to the PS3 and 360 - i.e. it would mostly appeal to the traditional gamer (us lot!). Now a gamer-centric HD console with Wii controllers would be nice, certainly, but would it have had anything like the success that the Wii is currently experiencing? I doubt it.

The great thing about the Wii is that it has successfully disrupted a market that had got caught up in the computer-like upgrade cycle. If you want HD gaming then there are two perfectly valid options out there. But clearly HD doesn't matter so much to the large share of the market who are buying the Wii in droves.

The Caffeine Kid · Post by **The Caffeine Kid** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:48 pm 0

I was in town earlier and there were posters outside HMV proclaiming "WII IN STOCK!" ... they lasted 5minutes at most before the posters came down again.

I can't believe it's sold out everywhere again for a second year, and selling as fast or even faster than they can make them.

They have extra plants producing Wii this year too don't they?

I just hope it doesn't mean more cash-in shovelware from companies who can't code a playable game for toffee.

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:10 pm 0

. The wii is designed to be played multiplayer

-sigh-
not this bullshit again.

Just because the wii has a few fun multiplayer games dosnt mean you need 4 controlls to properly enjoy the system.

Heck, i have just two wiimotes and one nunchuck,and never needed more.

Mario, Metroid, Zelda,Super Paper Mario ect.

In fact, what decent 3-4 player games does the wii have?

Why is the wii designed any more for 4 players then the xbox or ps3 ?
Seems such a random/abstract idea.
Heck, even WiiSports is only two player.

If you look at the actual price of a mobile phone, away from any subsidies from the service provider, I'd argue that it is cheaper than most mobile phones.

Well, Tesco's does cheap pay as you go ones, Â£30-40 I think

Metroid I just found lush from start to finish, or at least, where I am up to. I never once question the resolution or detail, I'm too busy playing

well said.

Once you have experienced The Searchers / CoD 4 on large screen 1080p display realise that resolution is a jump from VHS to DVD to the next level

A new VHS looked the same as a DVD to me.
So I agree.
DVD improved practicality and lifespan, wasnt a quality issue to me.

I do notice the difference between 1080p and native pal , of course.

But I think the difference isnt as important as the hype for hd makes out, and when it comes to 720p vs 1080p, I think its odd we are pursueing this over framerate stability or good motion bluring.

fog · Post by **fog** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:46 pm 0

The Caffeine Kid wrote:I was in town earlier and there were posters outside HMV proclaiming "WII IN STOCK!" ... they lasted 5minutes at most before the posters came down again.

I can't believe it's sold out everywhere again for a second year, and selling as fast or even faster than they can make them.

They have extra plants producing Wii this year too don't they?

I just hope it doesn't mean more cash-in shovelware from companies who can't code a playable game for toffee.

What we really need to know is why some parts of Europe are flooded with them when we have none? If there's a shortage then send more here instead of having them piled high on shelves elsewhere. Last Christmas it was excusable but not this year.

WiteWulf · Post by **WiteWulf** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:00 pm 0

Darkflame wrote:
Once you have experienced The Searchers / CoD 4 on large screen 1080p display realise that resolution is a jump from VHS to DVD to the next level
A new VHS looked the same as a DVD to me.
So I agree.
DVD improved practicality and lifespan, wasnt a quality issue to me.

I do notice the difference between 1080p and native pal , of course.

So you can see the slightly-less-than-double-the-number of vertical lines from PAL (576i) DVD to 1080p but not the same from VHS to 576i (VHS runs at 250 lines). You've got some seriously screwed up eyes, mate!

Mele · Post by **Mele** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:02 pm 0

Darkflame why do you always go rabid when defending the wii ?

I love the the wii but to say the idea that the wii is a console that has been built ground up as a multi player is bullshit is well ...... wrong.
The wii has some great single player games for sure but the wii sports ,wii play , wario ware , mario party all focus and benefit from a multiplayer social gang bang. Look at most of the wii commercials with people in polo necks bouncing around , if ninty arnt try to sell this as a party console I'll eat my hat.

Also what is going on with this going x amount of posts back and picking an individual comments disregarding the context it was written in then coming back with list by list rebuttal?
Again the context I have written everything in is that I love the wii but would have preferred it to cater towards the hi def and I don't think the wii is a particularly cheap console when you kit out to play as Nintendo have encouraged.

I can take your point of view and I can understand if your opinion that VHS looked as good as DVD that you will think the hi def is overrated.
You must also take into account some people can see a huge difference between hi def and sd and find it every bit as exciting as whacking a tennis ball with a remote.

amanset · Post by **amanset** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:15 pm 0

Mele wrote: The wii has some great single player games for sure but the wii sports ,wii play , wario ware , mario party all focus and benefit from a multiplayer social gang bang.

The wii has some great multiplayer games for sure but Zelda, Mario, Zack and Wiki and Mercury Meltdown Revolution all focus and benefit from a single player experience.

xav · Post by **xav** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:27 pm 0

Mele wrote:The wii has some great single player games for sure but the wii sports ,wii play , wario ware , mario party all focus and benefit from a multiplayer social gang bang. Look at most of the wii commercials with people in polo necks bouncing around , if ninty arnt try to sell this as a party console I'll eat my hat.

Even if Nintendo are marketing the Wii as a party console, it still doesn't justify your claim that the Wii and the PS3 are effectively the same price. Adding three controllers may well hike the price up, but you're then getting a machine that can be played by four people simultaneously and comparing it with a machine that can be played by one. If you compare price-per-player then it still favours the Wii.

If your yardstick for comparison is based on kitting the device out the same way the manufacturers do in their adverts, then you'd best include the cost of an HDTV to the PS3 pricing.

I'd question how many people have bought more than one extra controller for their Wii. All the Wii owners I know personally only have two controllers - but they take them with them when visiting other Wii owners for multi-player games. And every single one of them has the second controller as a result of buying Wii Play, so it could be argued that you'd also need to include a basic game in the price of your PS3 when comparing them (plus another one to correspond to Wii Sports).

And just because Nintendo advertise the Wii in a large room filled with models and plenty of space to swing your arms, that doesn't mean that you have to go out and buy a bigger house to play party games. Even with only two controllers there's plenty of fun to be had from just observing other people playing party games. You don't need four controllers to make a party.

If you really want to go out and buy three extra controllers for party games then that's your choice - but I don't think you can then blame Nintendo for making you do it, then claim that you've spent as much as you would have on a PS3, then declare that for the money you've spent your Wii should have been HD.

Wii + 3 extra controllers + 2 games = Apples
PS3 = Oranges

Baggypants · Post by **Baggypants** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:32 pm 0

Darkflame wrote: In fact, what decent 3-4 player games does the wii have?

Bomberman '93?

xav · Post by **xav** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:52 pm 0

I'm not really sure what it is that you're trying to say. That a Wii plus optional extras costs the same as a 360 without optional extras? That a Wii plus extras costs close to a PS3 without extras?

You can make claims like that about almost anything. An Asus EEE, by the time you've added extra storage space and upgraded the memory, costs nearly as much as a normal laptop with a bigger screen. A meal at the pub - with three courses and drinks - costs as much as a main course in a decent restaurant.

It's all apples and oranges. The Wii is less powerful, but also less expensive. You can add more accessories, which increases the price, but that still doesn't make it comparable to the other machines in their stock configuration.

As far as I see it the Wii is a different type of device to a PS3 or 360. Whether or not you can make up particular bundles that puts arbitrary bundle A at a similar price point to arbitrary bundle B is irrelevant.

Like I said, I'm not really sure what your point is.

Edit: Erm... the post I was replying to seems to have disappeared! I knew I should have quoted it

Mele · Post by **Mele** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:57 pm 0

Sry Xav I deleted my post becuse it bored me to death reading my own rubbish , so I have no point really just like console and play games me.
Nice and simple

Fil · Post by **Fil** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:58 pm 0

Hey guys, last year called, it wants its pointless argument back.

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:59 pm 0

WiteWulf wrote:
Darkflame wrote:
Once you have experienced The Searchers / CoD 4 on large screen 1080p display realise that resolution is a jump from VHS to DVD to the next level
A new VHS looked the same as a DVD to me.
So I agree.
DVD improved practicality and lifespan, wasnt a quality issue to me.

I do notice the difference between 1080p and native pal , of course.
So you can see the slightly-less-than-double-the-number of vertical lines from PAL (576i) DVD to 1080p but not the same from VHS to 576i (VHS runs at 250 lines). You've got some seriously screwed up eyes, mate!

Well, I never noticed a difference.
Im just looking at the end result.

Maybe the difference in interlace makes a difference or tv's have only (personaly) got good enough now for other factors not to overwealm resolution.
(my old tv had slight ghosting, for instance).

Darkflame why do you always go rabid when defending the wii ?

And why do you infer my prefer for other things over resolution has anything whatsoever to do with the Wii?

Last time I checked the Wii dosnt have the rock-solid framerates and good bluring I am after either.
I dont want image qualty to stop improveing, i just think the target is wrong.

Heck, aside from my comment about 4 controllers being as stupid now as it was half a thread ok, my comments have been offtopic

Bomberman '93?

fair point, but the xbox 360 has better no?

The wii has some great single player games for sure but the wii sports ,wii play , wario ware , mario party all focus and benefit from a multiplayer social gang bang.

yes they do.
But how are those games more important then the (imo vastly better) single player wii games?

As for the adverts , they are really crazy Nintendo-land reality.
They advertise the single player games the same way.

You must also take into account some people can see a huge difference between hi def and sd and find it every bit as exciting as whacking a tennis ball with a remote.

As i said, I see the difference between pal and 1080p too, its 720p<>1080p fuss I think is silly.

My argument is not SD vs HD, more the higher end.

Wii + 3 extra controllers + 2 games = Apples
PS3 = Oranges

nicely put.