Jamie Oliver is a fucking sensationalist wanker!

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Stone wrote:Not really, I never suggested people's right to breed should be taken away based on income
There's a right to breed now?!

I'd have thought a child's right to a good quality of life should trump any perceived right to drop a sprog. If the parent can't afford the child, then I'd argue that the child is being deprived of it's rights.
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Fecking breeding / non breeding again!

Why can't we all argue about SUVs like in the good old days :(
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I like meat.

Meat comes from dead animals.

To make them dead you have to kill them.

The only way to stop this 'inhumane' process is to stop eating meat. They're bred to be slaughtered you know that right? They're not pets, they live solely to get fatter then get killed. If you can't accept that then you need to go and have a long hard think about eating meat, instead of going "Look at the poor defenceless chicken!" and continuing to much down on your Colonel's Variety Bucket.
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skweek wrote:I like meat.

Meat comes from dead animals.

To make them dead you have to kill them.

The only way to stop this 'inhumane' process is to stop eating meat. They're bred to be slaughtered you know that right? They're not pets, they live solely to get fatter then get killed. If you can't accept that then you need to go and have a long hard think about eating meat, instead of going "Look at the poor defenceless chicken!" and continuing to much down on your Colonel's Variety Bucket.
I might've misunderstood something, but I think you're missing the point.

The point of the programme was not meat = bad or killing animals = bad, it was that there is some sort of obligation to treat the animals we kill humanely, and that by any normal standards, chickens are not currently treated that way.

One of the main reasons that chickens aren't treated humanely is because people don't understand how the process works. If they did, as with eggs, they'd be more likely to buy higher-welfare-standard products.




Incidentally, I'm not sure if anyone grasped quite what a big deal it is that Hellman's are moving to free-range eggs. That's MASSIVE, because if they can do it, anyone can; the consumption of egg in things other than shells (through dried or liquid egg as an ingredient in pies, pastries, cakes, sauces etc.) exceeds the fresh egg sales (which have declined massively over the last 20ish years).

It means that there's scope for the eradication of battery cages not through legislation, but through informed customer choice/pressure. And that means there's scope for the poultrymeat market to go the same way (even though it'll take years to get there).

[EDIT]I personally never thought that was on the horizon, because I generally think consumers are idiots (and I still don't think there's any excuse for the level of ignorance about the origins of their food displayed by the people Hugh and Jamie have had on t'telly this week) but this is promising...

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Its always so easy to slag people off when they're trying to make a difference. Ultimately you also have to remember that on the whole the general public are as thick as shit and just don't know or care. Shocking them into thinking about something is often the only way to get them to listen and if that means popping a cap into a chickens arse on live TV - then so be it.

Jamie Oliver uses his celebrity status to do good. He also rightly tries to raise his profile at the same time. Higher profile = more money = more impact = more change for the better. You are being incredibly ignorant if you think he could do this from the outside and what better way to fight the supermarkets than to take their money off them and use it to make them look like cunts? He actually gets a lot more publicity for his cause precisely because he advertises Sainsburys and for some of the thicker people out there they might think Sainsburys endorses it.

You can certainly call it two faced if you want, but I don't think I've ever seen any of his adverts say "Look at this lovely battery hen". I can't ever recall an advert where he's not been promoting fresh food actually.

Good quality fresh food can be more expensive than processed but for fuck sake it's like eating dogshit in comparison. It's about educating people that making the effort and prying their fat arse away from the TV is worth it. I try and cook every meal from scratch now and I would say 5 out of 7 of my meals are cooked from scratch using fresh ingredients. I'll just add its getting to the point were processed food is now making me puke as the fresh is in such a different league.

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Well, in order to prevent further cruellty, we should therefore switch to genetic engineering, and breed a species of chook that has no brain. Give it multiple legs, wings and several breastbones, and we're in business.

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But then, people will get morally outranged with having to eat something that isnt natural... but who would probably still object to eating animals... and also object to having to pay a lot to get proper food. Its not going to work, is it?

It also strikes me that some people are only using this thread to whinge about Jamie Oliver and other Tv chefs, and not a lot else. come on people, you have to treat him with dignity. After all, we're all just animals.
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I liked the blokes in the pub in the Hugh-Fearnly-Toffeecake programmes, complaining that everyone is far too underpaid to spend more than £2.50 on a chicken, at the same time as they order another pint.
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radio wrote:I liked the blokes in the pub in the Hugh-Fearnly-Toffeecake programmes, complaining that everyone is far too underpaid to spend more than £2.50 on a chicken, at the same time as they order another pint.
:D

I'd still have liked to see Gordon Ramsay do the chicken-run thing. Hugh Furry-Whittlingstick did a decent job, but he's hardly the most forceful personality - and it's easy to see how the poshness would instinctively irritate the people he's most trying to reach.
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Sickboy wrote:
radio wrote:I liked the blokes in the pub in the Hugh-Fearnly-Toffeecake programmes, complaining that everyone is far too underpaid to spend more than £2.50 on a chicken, at the same time as they order another pint.
:D

I'd still have liked to see Gordon Ramsay do the chicken-run thing. Hugh Furry-Whittlingstick did a decent job, but he's hardly the most forceful personality - and it's easy to see how the poshness would instinctively irritate the people he's most trying to reach.
I know what you mean, but I think the Hugh-cries-awwwh factor is strong with people who probably don't like Gordo swearing...

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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a84859/t ... n-con.html
The units were investigated by industry watchdog Assured Food Standards, who ruled that both farms failed to meet basic health standards. Hugh was also accused of encouraging animal cruelty in order to exaggerate conditions at the intensively reared farm. However, the footage was cut from the programme.
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HGFB wrote:http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a84859/tvs-hugh-accused-of-chicken-con.html
The units were investigated by industry watchdog Assured Food Standards, who ruled that both farms failed to meet basic health standards. Hugh was also accused of encouraging animal cruelty in order to exaggerate conditions at the intensively reared farm. However, the footage was cut from the programme.
AFS inspects against minimum standards for health and hygiene, as an industry sponsored organisation set-up to promote consumption of British food. It's such an august body, if they so chose, a French producer could put their little red tractor mark on their produce (if they weren't concerned it would damage sales, as any association with British food production is likely to do outside this country)...

Interesting that they've not put out a press release or drawn any attention to Hugh's failures... one wonders what their debrief would've contained and why it's not all over their website?

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Went to Sainsburys in Exeter on Friday, wanting to buy a (dead) free-range chicken.

All the free-range ones had sold out so had to get wanky corn-fed assured-by some-less-than-trustworthy-authority chicken.

Call it the celebrity effect or some such.

The chicken was quite tasty though.
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skweek wrote:I like meat.

Meat comes from dead animals.
When I was a kid I used to wonder if people's guilt about killing things to eat would eventually lead to a situation where all human food was entirely artificial.

I guess that's what Star Trek's replicator thingumies are about.
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fritx wrote:...since I stopped eating dead rotting flesh all them years ago, just give it a try. I would suggest the Quorn southern-style pseudo-chicken burgers as a pleasant intro.
i'll be honest, i would rather eat fresh meat from the butchers ( yours wasn't very good by the sounds of it, selling rotting flesh an' all) than some nasty artificially flavoured goop.
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