WiteWulf wrote:...which reminds: my mate who was asking about the contract procedure for buying an iPhone in the UK went out to Carphone Warehouse at lunchtime, bought one for £270 and promptly came back to the office and Jailbroke it. It's now quite happily running with an Orange PAYG SIM in it, apparently.
But presumably no fast web access because Orange doesn't do EDGE?
WiteWulf wrote:...which reminds: my mate who was asking about the contract procedure for buying an iPhone in the UK went out to Carphone Warehouse at lunchtime, bought one for £270 and promptly came back to the office and Jailbroke it. It's now quite happily running with an Orange PAYG SIM in it, apparently.
But presumably no fast web access because Orange doesn't do EDGE?
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WiteWulf wrote:...which reminds: my mate who was asking about the contract procedure for buying an iPhone in the UK went out to Carphone Warehouse at lunchtime, bought one for £270 and promptly came back to the office and Jailbroke it. It's now quite happily running with an Orange PAYG SIM in it, apparently.
But presumably no fast web access because Orange doesn't do EDGE?
I did not know this. There's nothing about it on their website.
So, can the iPhone can use Orange Edge, and how much does it cost?
I'm rather hoping I won't like the answers to those, because otherwise I'm going to have to buy another bloody Apple product.
I think the problem is getting an iphone to work with an orange sim. jailbreak does not sim unlock, so I'm astonished that someone got a sim to work this way.
However, if you can get an orange sim accepted in the thing, and the Orange account is active for data, edge SHOULD work fine. I know I use 3 which roams to orange, and I get EDGE when I roam, depending on where I am. warning though - its very variable - sometimes in the same location I get it, others I don't. It is no substitute for a good 3g connection either. IMHO.
No sign of any MacBook Airs when I ducked into the Apple shop in Meadowhell yesterday tea time, not even one in a glass case. Can't say I was too disappointed...
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I did not know this. There's nothing about it on their website.
So, can the iPhone can use Orange Edge, and how much does it cost?
I'm rather hoping I won't like the answers to those, because otherwise I'm going to have to buy another bloody Apple product.
I think the problem is getting an iphone to work with an orange sim. jailbreak does not sim unlock, so I'm astonished that someone got a sim to work this way.
However, if you can get an orange sim accepted in the thing, and the Orange account is active for data, edge SHOULD work fine. I know I use 3 which roams to orange, and I get EDGE when I roam, depending on where I am. warning though - its very variable - sometimes in the same location I get it, others I don't. It is no substitute for a good 3g connection either. IMHO.
Which says that indeed an Orange PAYG SIM will work in an "unlocked" iPhone. I know that Orange themselves were supposed to be selling officially unlocked iPhones for a ridiculous premium, but the thread also contains links to sites explaining how to unlock it:
I did not know this. There's nothing about it on their website.
So, can the iPhone can use Orange Edge, and how much does it cost?
I'm rather hoping I won't like the answers to those, because otherwise I'm going to have to buy another bloody Apple product.
I think the problem is getting an iphone to work with an orange sim. jailbreak does not sim unlock, so I'm astonished that someone got a sim to work this way.
However, if you can get an orange sim accepted in the thing, and the Orange account is active for data, edge SHOULD work fine. I know I use 3 which roams to orange, and I get EDGE when I roam, depending on where I am. warning though - its very variable - sometimes in the same location I get it, others I don't. It is no substitute for a good 3g connection either. IMHO.
Which says that indeed an Orange PAYG SIM will work in an "unlocked" iPhone. I know that Orange themselves were supposed to be selling officially unlocked iPhones for a ridiculous premium, but the thread also contains links to sites explaining how to unlock it:
I did not know this. There's nothing about it on their website.
So, can the iPhone can use Orange Edge, and how much does it cost?
I'm rather hoping I won't like the answers to those, because otherwise I'm going to have to buy another bloody Apple product.
I think the problem is getting an iphone to work with an orange sim. jailbreak does not sim unlock, so I'm astonished that someone got a sim to work this way.
However, if you can get an orange sim accepted in the thing, and the Orange account is active for data, edge SHOULD work fine. I know I use 3 which roams to orange, and I get EDGE when I roam, depending on where I am. warning though - its very variable - sometimes in the same location I get it, others I don't. It is no substitute for a good 3g connection either. IMHO.
Which says that indeed an Orange PAYG SIM will work in an "unlocked" iPhone. I know that Orange themselves were supposed to be selling officially unlocked iPhones for a ridiculous premium, but the thread also contains links to sites explaining how to unlock it:
Is that what your mate did WiteWulf, or are the Carphone Warehouse iPhones ready-unlocked?
At a guess, the pricing for Orange Edge is the same as for GPRS: £1 a day or 40p per 15 minutes. Another
unlocking the UK iphone is a real trick. The first line in that guide says make sure your at 1.02 on the firmware. Which is the problem I think - no UK iphone would be. I may be out of date now, but they have an encrypted baseband which you can't downgrade i believe. Unlocking a UK iphone is still not possible yet is it? I know you can jailbreak them mind.
offyoutoddle wrote:
unlocking the UK iphone is a real trick. The first line in that guide says make sure your at 1.02 on the firmware. Which is the problem I think - no UK iphone would be. I may be out of date now, but they have an encrypted baseband which you can't downgrade i believe. Unlocking a UK iphone is still not possible yet is it? I know you can jailbreak them mind.
You can downgrade to 1.02 from 1.1.1 or earlier.
The UK iPhone came out at 1.1.2 which could only be jailbroken until recently. So if you had a UK phone the best you could hope for was activating and using another O2 sim.
The hackers needed 1.1.3 to come out so they could break the 1.1.2 baseband and thus unlock the 1.1.2 iPhone. Apparently this has been achieved in the last few days, but the method hasn't been released yet.
Similarly, initial reports are that we'll need 1.1.4 out to unlock a 1.1.3 phone. So the trick is to get one just before a firmware upgrade otherwise you are stuck for a period having an iTouch unless you are on O2 (or AT&T) in the US.
offyoutoddle wrote:
unlocking the UK iphone is a real trick. The first line in that guide says make sure your at 1.02 on the firmware. Which is the problem I think - no UK iphone would be. I may be out of date now, but they have an encrypted baseband which you can't downgrade i believe. Unlocking a UK iphone is still not possible yet is it? I know you can jailbreak them mind.
You can downgrade to 1.02 from 1.1.1 or earlier.
The UK iPhone came out at 1.1.2 which could only be jailbroken until recently. So if you had a UK phone the best you could hope for was activating and using another O2 sim.
The hackers needed 1.1.3 to come out so they could break the 1.1.2 baseband and thus unlock the 1.1.2 iPhone. Apparently this has been achieved in the last few days, but the method hasn't been released yet.
Similarly, initial reports are that we'll need 1.1.4 out to unlock a 1.1.3 phone. So the trick is to get one just before a firmware upgrade otherwise you are stuck for a period having an iTouch unless you are on O2 (or AT&T) in the US.
that's sort of what I thought. cheers for the detail.
kalmar wrote:OK, so it'd be realistic to use an O2 PAYG sim with a UK iPhone, without needing to unlock it?
Yes.
BUT the 1.1.3 jailbreak hasn't been released yet. So you need to hope that you get a 1.1.2 phone like witewulf's mate did.
Apparently they aren't releasing the 1.1.3 jailbreak method until Apple release the SDK in the next few weeks, so Apple doesn't fix any bugs before the SDK is in the hackers hands!
And that is assuming the 1.1.3 jailbreak includes activation. But I'd be surprised if that wasn't part of the procedure....
