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axel000 wrote:Study - life's building blocks originated from space :D

More confirmation that life on earth is not unique.
Whoo!

So if we didn't originate from this rock, which one did we originate from? and why haven't we found other fragments of this type on other planets/satellites?

Intriguing!
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Quite an impressive Ariane 5 launch last night with clear skies an a useful tracking camera allowing separation of the boosters and payload fairing to be seen at over 100km. The video can be seen by clicking on "Previous launch" then "The liftoff" here: http://www.videocorner.tv/index.php?langue=en. It was putting up another Skynet satellite, but don't let that worry you.
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teamonkey wrote:
Darkflame wrote:Well, exactly, its completely arbitary.
So whats the point of changing it at all?
Whats the point of expending so much effort on a classification that...from a scientific standpoint...is utterly useless?
Pluto is still a dwarf planet (as are Eris and Ceres), but it's now also a plutoid (as is Eris).

It's a bit arbitrary, but the issue is partly down to the planets sweeping up crap. As planets orbit, they affect the dust, gas and rocks in the area. Eventually they sweep it away or collect it. Up until Neptune the solar system is fairly clean, beyond that it gets muckier. Pluto is big enough to clear its orbit, but not big enough to make a significant difference. Hence the classification "trans-Neptunian objects", which now includes plutoids as a specific type.

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Yes, I understood the reasoning behind the "sweeping things up rule", that one makes sense to me.

But its the Neptune as a distinction/sub catagory that seems useless, because it implies that things past neptune are somehow different or special....when, in this case, its just that in our solar system things past that point dont seem to sweep everything up.
If we had another extra-plantary data to make a division that reflected plant-formation density, or simerla, then maybe a distance could be made, and assigned to a body that defined it.

But with a one-off sample range we have at the moment, and (very) limited data on stuff around other stars, is it not like defining the names of plants based on where they grow in your back yard :p
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Darkflame wrote:But with a one-off sample range we have at the moment, and (very) limited data on stuff around other stars, is it not like defining the names of plants based on where they grow in your back yard :p
"Those red ones in the corner by the fence" still has a use that is specific to one particular garden. It doesn't stop them having a proper name or classification. "Like those red ones in the corner by the fence in our garden" is still useful.

Hence plutoid - "Like Pluto, that small weird planet stuck in Kuyper Belt in the Sol system"

Pluto is still classified as a dwarf planet, if it helps.
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I think the official bodies / professional astronomers are taking the classification of planets in the wrong direction, IMO.


On another subject just a gentle reminder that the Discovery is landing at KSC tomorrow, around 11:20 EST if I recall. Should be live coverage on nasatv or over on space.com
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Darkflame wrote: But with a one-off sample range we have at the moment, and (very) limited data on stuff around other stars, is it not like defining the names of plants based on where they grow in your back yard :p
If the grow on a yard as opposed to in a garden they're weeds. :lol:
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Heads-up - Discovery has just initiated the de-orbit burn and is now on it's way back...................

Touchdown is scheduled for 16:15 our time.

Go HERE to see it
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"Stars don't twinkle in space." - Char Aznable.
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Some initial results from Phoenix, this time viewing martian soil under a microscope. Sadly no worms so far :wink:

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This image of the Martian soil was taken by the Phoenix Mars Lander's optical microscope and shows the variety of colors, shapes and sizes of the soil particles. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona.
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This image taken by the Optical Microscope on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander on Sol 17 (June 11, 2008) shows soil sprinkled from the lander's Robot Arm scoop onto a substrate that has been micromachined to produce different patterns of pegs and holes to capture the smallest particles in the Martian soil. The micromachined substrates are designed to tightly hold particles for imaging using the Atomic Force Microscope on Phoenix, which should be able to zoom in another 40 times beyond the magnification in this Optical Microscope image. For scale, each strip is 0.4 millimeter (0.016 inch) wide. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona/Imperial College London
The microscope images show a wide variety of particle sizes, colors and types in the soil. One of the particles viewed through the microscope is just 50 microns across, a little less than diameter of human hair. It is greenish in one part, which Pike says could be olivine, a mineral seen elsewhere on Mars. The other part of the particles "the very characteristic orange color" of the Martian soil as a whole, Pike said.

Another particle is black, glassy and more rounded in its shape. "This may very well be a volcanic glass," Pike said.

The microscope images also showed that the clumpy tendencies of the soil go right down to the microscopic level. The green-and-orange particle is actually "a clump of even finer particles," Pike said.

"It's obviously a very sticky material right down to the finest scale," he added.
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F-ZeroOne wrote:http://down2earth.eu/impact_calculator/

Deepdene Impact. :)
Correction: you can only drop lumps of rock on Wales; it was an error made by the website (Bad Astronomy, funnily enough) I found the link on originally.
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Wonderfull pictures of the soil there.
Real holy-fuck-we-have THIS stuff.

I wasnt even aware we were getting pictures like this, I expected more a spectragraph type thing.
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The spectragraph stuff will be coming next, that should tell us the chemical breakdown of the soil. It'll probably take a few weeks of scooping before they've fully surveyed the area and obtained different soil mixes.
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Some interesting news for Drake Equation buffs...
European astronomers have found a trio of "super-Earths" closely circling a star that astronomers once figured had nothing orbiting it.

The discovery demonstrates that planets keep popping up in unexpected places around the universe.

Scientists are more interested in the broader implications of the finding: The universe is teeming with far more planets than thought.
Drake Equation

N = R* x fp x ne x fe x fi x fc x L

where:

N is the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible;
and

R* is the average rate of star formation in our galaxy
fp is the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne is the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fâ„“ is the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life at some point
fi is the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life
fc is the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L is the length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.
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There's an earth-sciences satellite launching from Vandenburg AFB this Friday. The Jason-2 Ocean Surface Topography surveyor will be taking off from Cali early in the AM here in the States (launch window is 12:46am PST to 12:55am PST).
The mission will extend into the next decade the continuous record of sea-surface height measurements started in 1992 by the NASA-French Space Agency's TOPEX/Poseidon mission and extended by the NASA-French Space Agency Jason 1 mission in 2001.

The satellite will continue monitoring trends in sea-level rise, one of the most important consequences and indicators of global climate change. Measurements from TOPEX/Poseidon and Jason 1 have shown that mean sea level has risen by about three millimeters (0.12 inches) a year since 1993, twice the rate estimated from tide gauges in the past century. But 15 years of data are not sufficient to determine long-term trends.
The Ocean Surface Topography Mission (OSTM)/Jason 2 is a partnership of NASA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the French Space Agency Centre National d'Etudes Spatiales (CNES) and the European Organisation for the Exploitation of Meteorological Satellites (EUMETSAT).
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