Where is NEON for PC????

[RiK]

Right, so, before this descends into surreality and Peevo gets all flustered..

My take on it (which shouldn't be considered an 'official' statement in any way.)

Neon is Llamasoft's 'core' tech, and the end result that you get to see is great in context. Thing is though, the back end synth stuff that drives it, and the editor side of the synth is pretty complex to get into and so to develop a front-end which would make that a commercially viable and user-friendly package would need a fuck-load of dev time.

The existing editor as it stands is pretty fully-featured and enables Jeff (and the ninjas on the beta team) to get some amazing results, but, it's got a pretty steep learning curve and the GUI is not really acceptable for something to release into the wild.

To be a commercial success in todays VJ market for example it's going to need a really polished GUI front end, support for stuff like midi and DMX (both perfectly do-able but not in at the mo) and some forward planning for future modular expansion etc. That's all stuff that Jeff & Giles would *like* to do, but when you consider the time required to develop such an application has to be entirely self-funded, at the moment the priority has to be games which have the potential for a more steady income in a shorter time frame.

'Course, I'm sure if someone wanted to stump up a large wodge of cash to fund development Mr Minter would be only too pleased to discuss it...

[RiK]

Jeff & Giles did not just say "It has not been released on the pc", they said they had their reasons why it hasn't been released.

Jeff & Giles didn't say anything PVB. I did.

[DTB]

Shame , I kinda knew this was the case but just kept on hoping after all tripatron was my teenage intro to the ST and computer based trippyness.
I shall go check my lottery numbers and I promise to fully fund dev when they come in .

Nevermind I still have Neon on my 360

Thanks to PVB and Rik for another bout of clarification.

[Jedburgh]

It has not and therefore will not be released on PC.

INDUCTIVE LOGIC FAIL

[PVB]

Right, so, before this descends into surreality and Peevo gets all flustered..

My take on it (which shouldn't be considered an 'official' statement in any way.)

I'm full of man-flu and Beechams Capsules, so am already at the surreal level.


The problem is that there has been no definite 'official' statement, just reports from us as to what we understand the situation is regarding Neon.

I doubt these queries/questions/pleadings for Neon to be released will stop until there is an official statement.

[PVB]

It has not and therefore will not be released on PC.

INDUCTIVE LOGIC FAIL

See my previous comment about an 'official' statement being required.

I won't post about Llamasoft again, in case I get flustered.

[coolnesscat]

As Said Jeff and Giles need to make an Official statement. Whats so hard about that? Is there some offering that they can do for the PC? If not a full blown Neon? How about a scaled down version? Something Anything from Jeff & Giles. Neon Lite for windows? This is their signature product from back when does anyone else agree?
Thanks

[Misfit]

As Said Jeff and Giles need to make an Official statement. Whats so hard about that? Is there some offering that they can do for the PC? If not a full blown Neon? How about a scaled down version? Something Anything from Jeff & Giles. Neon Lite for windows? This is their signature product from back when does anyone else agree?
Thanks

*If* it didn't need much development to put out a 360 style screen saver type thing on the PC, wouldn't releasing something like that for free create lots of publicity and drive traffic to the Llamasoft site and thus promote the games they have for sale? (so better to do it after GR+++).

Of course there are a lot of BIG ifs in that line of thinking.

[lis0r]

It doesn't help that we were told for ages that it was finished, it just needed a publisher.

[RiK]

It doesn't help that we were told for ages that it was finished, it just needed a publisher.

It was, it did, that didn't happen.

Subsequently, priorities have changed and LS have different plans for the future of Neon PC.

That's how it is and I'm afraid no amount of moaning is going to change anything.

[Ollie]

And in the meantime, am I right in picking up from another thread that a Microsoft update has buggered Neon on the 360, so there's now no way to get a properly working version of it at all?

[DTB]

neon works fine it's just out of sync, as i rarely play with the interactive side of neon I hardly notice but MS haven't even acknowledged there's a problem so I doubt it'll ever be fixed.

[Ollie]

neon works fine it's just out of sync, as i rarely play with the interactive side of neon I hardly notice but MS haven't even acknowledged there's a problem so I doubt it'll ever be fixed.

"Out of sync" seems like a pretty serious problem for something the entire purpose of which is to produce visuals in sync with the music.

[fog]

neon works fine it's just out of sync, as i rarely play with the interactive side of neon I hardly notice but MS haven't even acknowledged there's a problem so I doubt it'll ever be fixed.

Sorry, but it does not work "fine". It looks totally different now to the way it did before NXE dropped, having noticeable speed/framerate issues.

Just thought I'd post to clear that up as I'm not sure LS would be too happy about people thinking it works fine when, through no fault of their own, it clearly doesn't work as they intended.

IMHO of course.

[BassHead]

It doesn't help that we were told for ages that it was finished, it just needed a publisher.

It was, it did

That's not what you said at the top of the page
(your unofficial/personal view qualification there noted)

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If the current or future plans for Neon help Llamasoft survive and keep them creating then it should only be seen as a good thing, and if LS don't want to or can't talk about it (the latter seeming more likely) then this is also fair enough in my book. In the mean time, to expect people not ask questions, share disappointed, speculate, or even rant, is but wishful thinking