Anyone got a spare Google Wave invite?

[BassHead]

Personally, I'm greatfull google want to support standards and work with mostly open protocols and systems rather then releasing their own VM people have to download and then getting people to run Google-apps.

My Gmail,maps and docs work very nicely just the way they are, thank you very much.

But it looks like they have already given up support for Internet Explorer which forces a large percentage of the userbase to download another web browser to use Google apps. How long will it be before they decide that only Chrome has the functionallity they need to progress, and force people to use that to access Google services? Is this really any different to downloading a VM?

Is your glass half empty?

Google haven't given up supporting IE. The release of Google Chrome Frame shows they want to support IE users, and with IE's market share they would be mad not to. Google only gave up waiting for microshaft to get their act together.

[The Caffeine Kid]

Profile waves have gone up today (at least for me). Should be a muted wave where you can set your pic, name, status and website url.

The YY wave loaded quicker for me today - only one iceage instead of two, but typing was terrible. I typed in a sentence and then watched it appear one character at a time over the next minute or two. Dreadful!

[craigt]

Is your glass half empty?

Google haven't given up supporting IE. The release of Google Chrome Frame shows they want to support IE users, and with IE's market share they would be mad not to. Google only gave up waiting for microshaft to get their act together.

It's not that my glass is half empty, i've just been thinking about how the performance issues in the yakyak wave and how some of the cause is the web browser having to work overtime to process so much javascript. Again, if they removed their restriction of forcing themselves to get it to run in the browser then a whole new world would open up to them.

Some of there stuff really does work well. I'm a huge fan of gmail and google maps, but something like wave is really going to push browsers to their limits. It might have been better to take the same route as they did with Google Earth and leave the browser behind for this one.

I didn't know about Google Chrome Frame, but from what i've (very briefly) read it looks like IE users are redirected to an installation page if then don't have it and will have to install it to view the pages. How is this any different to them being asked to install a VM, or asking them to install Chrome?

[DutchLlama]

Still haven't heard from Google.

[piku]

Google Chrome Frame is just a browser plugin. I installed it on my work PC to play with Wave. It takes exactly as much effort as installing the Flash plugin does. I.e you click a button, make a cup of tea and it's finished. Then you never see it again and Wave just works.

The problem I see with Wave is that people will use it exactly like we are, as a giant group chat system, but I don't think that's what it was invented for. So far we've had loads of instant messaging systems that make it easy for two people to chat realtime with each other. It's not been the same with group chats. There isn't really anything. Now there's Wave, and one of its abilities is for realtime group chat. It's like anyone can now set up their own discussion forum without having to do any complicated admin work.

That's not its actual purpose though, and as we see things falls apart with 20 people yapping away on it. Our poor kludgy browsers just can't cope with all that Javascript. I think Wave was designed to have maybe four or five people discuss their holiday plans, or hold virtual meetings through it, etc. Wait till kids get on it

They have created their own viewer program, it's called Google Chrome. Chrome exists so that Google has their own desktop client to target, rather than hoping Firefox or IE will work well enough.

[Darkflame]

Ive just got a bunch of new invites, but it seems everyones cattered for.

Piku - Don't worry, people are working on applications for wave beyond just chat Its really just a collaborative update protocal/sever-standard, with chat as just one possibility to use with it.

Some of there stuff really does work well. I'm a huge fan of gmail and google maps, but something like wave is really going to push browsers to their limits. It might have been better to take the same route as they did with Google Earth and leave the browser behind for this one.

Just a clarification here, its the GoogleWave Client that's struggling.
In the long term, you will have desktop clients, streamlined clients, specialist clients....all sorts.

Dont think of wave as just the client you see now.
Thats merely googles way to demo it.

[DutchLlama]

Google Chrome Frame is just a browser plugin. I installed it on my work PC to play with Wave. It takes exactly as much effort as installing the Flash plugin does. I.e you click a button, make a cup of tea and it's finished. Then you never see it again and Wave just works.

The problem I see with Wave is that people will use it exactly like we are, as a giant group chat system, but I don't think that's what it was invented for. So far we've had loads of instant messaging systems that make it easy for two people to chat realtime with each other. It's not been the same with group chats. There isn't really anything. Now there's Wave, and one of its abilities is for realtime group chat. It's like anyone can now set up their own discussion forum without having to do any complicated admin work.

There's IRC. But there isn't another system that has chatrooms like IRC. And most people think IRC is too difficult and lacks smilies and other bells and whistles so it sort of has fell into disuse.

You can do groupchats with IM services but they're always on an ad hoc basis. The chat disapears when the last person signs off.

Talking on MSN is like meeting people you know on the street and speaking with them.
Talking on IRC is like going to a pub, knowing that your mates are there so you can have a chat.

[Darkflame]

Wave is really like a hybrid of a IRC and a Wiki.
I actually preposed using IRC for shared augmented reality worlds, and have now switched to Wave as it has basically all the same advantages and is persistent.

[piku]

Wave is really like a hybrid of a IRC and a Wiki.
I actually preposed using IRC for shared augmented reality worlds, and have now switched to Wave as it has basically all the same advantages and is persistent.

How do you do augmented reality in text form? I thought the idea of that was you sucked the real world into a computer using a camera, then it drew stuff on the top.

[Darkflame]

Wave is really like a hybrid of a IRC and a Wiki.
I actually preposed using IRC for shared augmented reality worlds, and have now switched to Wave as it has basically all the same advantages and is persistent.

How do you do augmented reality in text form? I thought the idea of that was you sucked the real world into a computer using a camera, then it drew stuff on the top.

Wave dosnt have to be about text. The protocol can be used for a lot more.

But, on a basic level, you can store invisible data as annotations in Blips.
By storing some geolocation data, and a url pointing to a resource to geolocate (such as a 3d mesh), Wave can be used for collaborative worlds quite nicely. Most of the things you can do to text, carry over quite nicely to 3d.

No part of Wave will be responsible for the AR rendering (which, as you say, is drawing virtual data on real footage), but a custom wave client can use wave quite nicely as a open exchange platform, to allow AR data to be shared and created by anyone.

The sticking point at the moment is Google has yet to standardise the client/sever protocol, the wave developer community is crying out for them to adopt something.
In the meantime, we are going to start working using PygoWave sever, which uses Json.

[DutchLlama]

Please add marjanssen@googlewave.com to the YakYak wave.

[offyoutoddle]

Please add marjanssen@googlewave.com to the YakYak wave.

and tcresswell@googlewave.com also please?

[The Caffeine Kid]

Welcome to treacle-hell.

[Baggypants]

anyone else got any "with:public <randstring>" search results they care to share.

spoons got me the a public xkcd wave where he experiments with nesting.

clarkson got me a very dry wave about google wave and JNSI but the end of it provided me a link to the mad Show off your gadgets wave.

[DutchLlama]

I haven't gotten any invites to extend, so I guess Google has closed the door to new users for now.