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gumboot wrote:He's put the wrong kind of USB connector on it!
Maybe it needs a powered USB hub?
What would that achieve? USB devices can only talk 'upwards' towards a host, not sideways to another device on the same network tier. You can bodge the standard to make it fit but that's non-standard, or 'cheating' ;)

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gumboot wrote:He's put the wrong kind of USB connector on it!
Maybe it needs a powered USB hub?
What would that achieve?
I don't see a power supply on the board, nor do I see a power connector.
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Or it could be powered through the HDMI connector's power pins. :D
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Ah, forgot about them. Woops.
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Wait, when did HDMI start sending power back to the source?
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You're right: rooting through the spec, it's the source that supplies the +5V power.

Fuck knows how Breadbin's use case of plugging a TV into the HDMI port and a keyboard into the other end (which he talks about at the start of his BBC interview) is going to work, then... :?
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Without a bespoke OS how will this get the kids programming again like in the 8bit days of lore?
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They program the linux OS it comes with.

Am I missing something here?
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Found a teensy little bit more info from a post on /.:
Here is some more info I got from a mail list I follow:

> > 1) How long do you think it will be before the boards become
> > available?
>

> I'd say three or four months. As you can see from the screenshots, we
> have usable Linux, but we're waiting to get final versions of the the
> chip from our supplier.
>

> > 2) Are there any plans for a version with onboard ethernet?
>
> I don't think we're likely to do onboard Ethernet; we will have an
> onboard 3-port USB hub so people can add an external adapter.
>

> > 3) Are there any plans for a version with onboard wifi?
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> Yes. The final version (though maybe not the first distributables)
> will have onboard WiFi (probably 802.11n) in the price point.
>

> > 4) What are the power requirements, both under load and at rest?
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> At rest I'd say 50mW (we could trim this if it was really important,
> but it gets a bit fiddly below this point), under serious load
> (original XBox class graphics or 1080p30 H.264), 700mW.
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llamaprotector wrote:Without a bespoke OS how will this get the kids programming again like in the 8bit days of lore?
It won't. This is intended to address the issue of kids without access to a proper computer, which roughly is reckoned to be ~5-10%. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12075057
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gravy wrote:They program the linux OS it comes with.
Am I missing something here?
I took that to suggest that with a generic OS on it kids are likely to treat it like they do any other desktop and download porn and go on facebook and generally do an awful lot of things with it that aren't programming.

Whereas in the 8-bit days you had to issue at least one BASIC command before you could download porn or go on facebook or do anything else that wasn't programming.

disciple wrote:This is intended to address the issue of kids without access to a proper computer, which roughly is reckoned to be ~5-10%. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12075057
How many of them own a TV with HDMI input?
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Composite video, they can get a converter for an extra 50p : http://www.raspberrypi.org/
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disciple wrote:
llamaprotector wrote:Without a bespoke OS how will this get the kids programming again like in the 8bit days of lore?
It won't. This is intended to address the issue of kids without access to a proper computer, which roughly is reckoned to be ~5-10%. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12075057
http://www.raspberrypi.org/ wrote:We plan to develop, manufacture and distribute an ultra-low-cost computer, for use in teaching computer programming to children.
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Yeah that looks like the plan, this does not achieve that though, it just address' the issue of computers not being available to all. This is just a cheap affordable computer suitable for kids - "One piece of the jigsaw".

Also on that site : "How would you use an ultra-low-cost computer? Do you have open-source educational software we can use? Contact us at info@raspberrypi.org."
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To be clear the main thrust of this is to teach kids programming rather than spreadsheets and word-processing a s a lot of school courses do these days.

Also a majority of the languages recommended in this thread already exist for it.

The missing piece is course work rather than hardware or software.
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