iPhone/iPod Touch Thread

[Misfit]

The adaptor doesn't have an audio out connector, so that rules out all audio docks, which are the majority of uses for the socket.

"iPod Out" is not audio out!

http://www.tuaw.com/2012/09/13/lightnin ... d-out-doe/

Correct.

What does this mean for you? If you don't have a car that supports iPod Out, and you don't plan to buy one, go ahead and get that iPhone 5 or new iPod touch you're craving. The Lightning to 30-pin adapter may be clumsy and certainly isn't cheap, but it definitely will let you connect to your music.

The worrying thing about cheap alternative cables/adaptors is that "As with Thunderbolt, these are "cables with a chip"; they handle digital to analog conversion, USB audio, all the signaling for track changes, etc. that were part of the original 30-pin connector standard" meaning it's not a simple device.

Haven't seen loads of cheap thunderbolt cables/accessories appearing...

[disciple]

Yeah, buy a 5 and you get a 'gratis' :

- Lightning to 30-pin Adapter
- Lightning to USB Cable

But I can't find anywhere that actually says this other than that bit above.

The iPhone part of the site and the store both have a "what's in the box" and both mention the cable and neither mention the dock.

Well I just saw it on the order page in the same place you did. It does seem quite explicit in what they're providing.

But yeah it's not on the main iPhone page is it, it almost looks like the decision to include (or not include) the adapter was a last minute thing and not all bits of the website were updated.

I suppose if you were going to forget to update something, it's more likely to be the adapter option bit rather than the main iPhone 5 page, which might hint that they went from include to don't include.

Dunno, phone call to Apple I suppose if you want the answer.

[Misfit]

Dunno, phone call to Apple I suppose if you want the answer.

Doesn't really affect my order. (But took a screenshot just in case). Work pays, so I can continue to be a sheep.

Saying that. Both my credit cards don't seem to want to go through right now. Maybe it's a sign...

[pogo]

Here's John Gruber on the launch, as usual well worth a read.
http://daringfireball.net/2012/09/iphone_5_event
I agree with him on Lightning:

Last but not least, and speaking of $29 add-ons, we have the new Lightning port. My first thought: it’s about fucking time. The old 30-pin adapter was ugly and cumbersome, and always struck me as one of the most un-Apple-like designs in the company’s history. Its design served several practical purposes — but those purposes only made sense a decade ago. Compatibility with both FireWire (for Macs) and USB (for PCs). The fact that it was designed primarily as a dock connector for heavy hard-drive-based iPods, not a cable connector.

Apple have done this many times before: remember SCSI, NuBus, ADB? It's almost a defining trait; while PC manufacturers stick with decades old VGA and serial ports Apple abandon old interfaces. They don't usually supply adapters for the old interface. Often they don't even make them, leaving that to third parties. And usually some in the press complain, but to no avail; you can't stop progress.

The only difference here is the scale, because the iPhone is far more successful than the Mac ever was. But with that scale comes a massive cost if Apple decides to e.g. bundle an adapter. So the calculation is the same: is is better to include a part that few will use, or better to sell it separately along with other things (such as additional cables, micro-USB adapters) so consumers can decide for themselves what they need?

[disciple]

it almost looks like the decision to include (or not include) the adapter was a last minute thing and not all bits of the website were updated.

I suppose if you were going to forget to update something, it's more likely to be the adapter option bit rather than the main iPhone 5 page, which might hint that they went from include to don't include.

Looks like this may be exactly what's happened : http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/09/14/ ... n-adapter/



What now then?

I reckon you're likely to get one now if you moan about it.

[The Caffeine Kid]

So it was financially viable and included in the price originally but they decided to be tight twats (in a bad way) at the last minute?

"We are not in this to make money, we want to make the best products we can..."

Bollocks!

[Deckard]

If true some amazing power gains from 2 core and 1 gig - beating the quad core android tablets (ducks) http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1443297. The android scores are later in the thread

[MattyP]

Interesting to see how the testing is conducted really. Odd that some of the android stuff has quad core tech but barely performing over a dual core unit. While some of the quads come out on top and they have similiar processors! Wierd. Suppose depends on how well engineered the devices are though. Also missing from the list is what OS version the Android devices are runing. Guessing Jelly bean maybe better optimised for multi-core architechtures.

Always take things like this with a pinch-of-salt. Proof is in the using I guess....and what apps you use on a regular basis that will take advantage of the addional processor grunt.

[TT]

Morning. Can anyone tell me how mapping will work on iOS6? Specifically, will the maps be cached on the phone, thus acting like a standalone SatNav? Or will I have to buy the TomTom app if I want to navigate without data usage?

[Deckard]

I think this sums up my main disappointment with iOS6 but you have to start at the start I suppose even with Apple purchasing power http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/09/what-a ... ain-sucks/

[VNVObit]

I think this sums up my main disappointment with iOS6 but you have to start at the start I suppose even with Apple purchasing power http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/09/what-a ... ain-sucks/

Hmm will put off upgrading the phone for a while and hope google release a map app. Have found the app really useful so don't want to lose the functionality/familiarity if I don't need to

[pogo]

I think this sums up my main disappointment with iOS6 but you have to start at the start I suppose even with Apple purchasing power http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/09/what-a ... ain-sucks/

Hmm will put off upgrading the phone for a while and hope google release a map app. Have found the app really useful so don't want to lose the functionality/familiarity if I don't need to

Google will be releasing a standalone version of their own Maps app 'very soon':

http://www.bgr.com/2012/09/19/ios-6-review/

[Ollie]

I think this sums up my main disappointment with iOS6 but you have to start at the start I suppose even with Apple purchasing power http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/09/what-a ... ain-sucks/

Yup, you heard it here first.

Pre-release:

Wow, look, flashy whizzy 3D buildings! Awesome!

Hang on, though, the actual maps are really crap, aren't they?

Post-release:

Hang on, these maps are a bit crap, actually.

To be fair they've improved a lot since I posted my screenshot from the beta. Still crap though, but hopefully they'll continue to improve at the same rate.

[merman]

How dare they! They changed the way you can pinpoint exactly where you are on this huge planet with a small handheld device rather than a cumbersome map. What a terrible thing to do. #firstworldproblems

[Mayhem]

Two observations regarding the new App Store (I ventured to update my work iPad to iOS6)...

1) More Reviews is broken when looking at reviews, but apparently it's been like that since the beta (?!).

2) The "Write A Review" button is missing if you view an app via the Purchased tab. I mean WTF? The easiest way to find an app you've downloaded/bought so you can write a review, and you can't actually leave a review by clicking on it through the Purchased tab?! You have to go find it through the normal search first.

Who makes these decisions?!?!