Elite on Kickstarter...

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gravy wrote: The biggest problem is I don't think they can make the game they're describing on time or to budget.
Hope I'm wrong :D
They've been a bit sketchy about the details so it is hard to know exactly how much they are going to put into the game. I guess that will depend on how much money they raise.

I think time is going to be the biggest problem. They probably should have given themselves more time but i'm not sure how that would work with Kickstarter. Would raising money for a game set for release in 2015/16 work?

The procedural planet generation is going to be the toughest problem to crack. Especially as people are going to be expecting photo realistic graphics and huge populated cities.
gravy wrote: BTW Do you talk to Ian? What does he think of this?
We occasionally comment on each other Facebook statuses. :-)
I've not spoken with him about Elite:Dangerous.

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Firefox wrote:Hey Christian! Nice to see you again! It's been a while.

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Hi. It certainly has been a while since I posted on here (or anywhere), I read yakyak though and follow what Jeff & Giles do. Time just seems to whizz by.

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Christian wrote:I think time is going to be the biggest problem. They probably should have given themselves more time but i'm not sure how that would work with Kickstarter. Would raising money for a game set for release in 2015/16 work?
With only a million quid budget they haven't got enough money to spend that long writing the thing - it gets you 20 people for a year to 18 months at most.
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Governmentyard wrote: If Mr. Pinder is on here, could he tell us what happened with the Ian Bell collaboration?
That would be Elite:Darkness Falls which I had originally intended to be a sequel to Elite: The New Kind. It progressed a fair way. We had some fun stuff in their like wingmen that fly with you and fight for you in battles, massive asteroid fields and NPC vs NPC battles. My favourite was the formation flying where NPCs would fly in formation, break off to fight a battle then re-group into formation and fly off.

Unfortunately I just ran of of spare time to work on it. I got married, moved house, had a daughter, set up two businesses, opened a karate club, changed jobs and did lots of other things that meant I had no free time.

I've had a few abortive attempts to revive the project in some form. Eventually I decided I needed to tackle something smaller first so I'm currently working on a simple space game that will be released under the GPL. It is designed to be fun to play but also easy for people to understand the code and fork their own versions.
Governmentyard wrote:and cheers for TnK, which must be my most played Elite.
Glad you liked it. It certainly became a lot more popular than I ever intended.

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venusian wrote: :roll: Fans are buying into the notalgia and the name of Elite. That is to say, Elite has value, into which fans are buying. The buying is happening of Elite (the thing with value). Elite's value is being bought into by the fans. The value of Elite is being monetised by this kickstarter. In terms of money Elite has value which is being bought by the fans. Are we getting there yet? It takes a special kind of blindness not to see that a clone of Elite called "Elite The New Kind" doesn't dilute the name, the brand, the nostalgia and thus the commercial value of Elite.
When E:TNK was around (12 years ago), Elite as a brand wasn't in use. Frontier was only sub-titled Elite II because the publisher insisted, DB didn't want to use the name Ellite on it. When FFE came out he dropped the name Elite altogether. Bizarrely one of the reasons I picked Elite as a game to remake was because it wasn't stepping on anyone's toes commercially. I wasn't aware of the issues between the original authors which was what ultimately killed the project.

DB's dropping of the Frontier brand and using the Elite name is actually a bit of a surprise. I guess he wants to put FFE behind him and start again.

Interestingly there are still a number of Elite remakes out there, including ones for Android and IOS.

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Christian wrote:Because that's all it really is, a last ditch effort to keep in business.
I've kept well out of this for fairly obvious reasons. But this statement isn't even remotely true. In fact, I'd imagine Frontier would be significantly better off *not* making Elite Dangerous.

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Obvious to you, maybe, but I can probably approximate the reason. :)

But yeah, I agree that too many people are drawing too many unsupported conclusions on What It All Means. The idea that maybe Braben and co. are doing something that honestly excites them is about 20th on the list of possible reasons this is happening, if it made the list at all.

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Christian wrote:Because that's all it really is, a last ditch effort to keep in business.
I've kept well out of this for fairly obvious reasons. But this statement isn't even remotely true. In fact, I'd imagine Frontier would be significantly better off *not* making Elite Dangerous.

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I hope it succeeds. If only for there to be a labour of love and not a labour of profit. (Watches kicktraq...)
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benedictw wrote:I hope it succeeds. If only for there to be a labour of love and not a labour of profit. (Watches kicktraq...)
If it was a labour of love, why does it need investment? Black Mesa didn't.
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Chuffmeister wrote:Are you working for Frontier, Bubba?
Yes, although on totally unrelated reasons Friday will be my last day. I'll be very sorry to leave :-(
merman wrote:If it was a labour of love, why does it need investment? Black Mesa didn't.
Because, funnily enough, it costs money to make games. Developers here have to eat...

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Jamesac wrote:Christian is hereby exempt from any of my complaints about unwarranted cynicism. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go track down a remake.

James
If anyone manages to track down the TNK source, could they PM me a quick pointer please? I'd love to just mess around and see what's what. Tried searching but have given up the ghost now...

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Bubba wrote:Codies in Southam. Gonna give racing games a try for a bit :-)

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