Fool me, this is real good shit ! [the VR thread]

[Jamesac]

I'm at PAX East right now, and I've been watching people wearing glasses use the Rift DK2. Repeat- glasses are confirmed compatible (if a bit fiddly setting up) for Rift DK2.

James

[Dvorak]

I'm at PAX East right now, and I've been watching people wearing glasses use the Rift DK2. Repeat- glasses are confirmed compatible (if a bit fiddly setting up) for Rift DK2.

James

Fuck people with glasses.

[Jamesac]

Your avatar and that statement work well together.

James

[gilesgoat]

I'm at PAX East right now, and I've been watching people wearing glasses use the Rift DK2. Repeat- glasses are confirmed compatible (if a bit fiddly setting up) for Rift DK2.

James

Interesting .. still this worries me a bit .. so far I dare to say all VR I've seen has quite a lot to do for people with glasses

[Jamesac]

In retrospect I wish I'd asked some of the people using it how it worked while wearing their glasses. I wouldn't be able to test myself, because my vision is screwed up in a way that requires me to remove my glasses to read or get full clarity on images on a screen strapped to my face.

James

[Dio]

I tried the first Rift with glasses on and I didn't have any obvious vision issues. Wasn't terribly comfortable mind.

[gilesgoat]

.. N months after this statement :

It's serious shit, in 3 words "it simply works" !

No .. it's FRAKING MENTAL SHIT the moment you move that "framework" into another where it happens to be you use a Left Handed coord system "since ever" as compared to a Right Handed ( including projection and all the rest ) that is used there.

Then when you read a thing like "yes the matrices are row mayor" .. followed by " .. and this is how we did/use them .." .. and turns out .. ah .. it's all TRANSPOSED compared to mines .. so instead of 1,2,3 all goes 3,2,1

"A quad that covers half the screen" ..

How ?

.. which "in my world" that is "no, a quad that covers all the screen with a viewport that sets it in half"..

plus, minus interocular distance .. no something does not look quite right no .. something doesn't feel quite right no ..
.. no wtf ..

This is the realm of "one minus/plus sign in the wrong place or an order of a thing wrong makes a SUBTLE difference where things seems to look quite right but there's something you cannot quite understand that seems it does not feel quite right".

Which in essence turns out "you misplaced something you are not getting the correct fusion of the two images".

Goat if I hacked those examples far and wide, I have 3 papers full of numbers been watching matrices for days ..

Oh well .. 3D geometry is really a good way to get insane trying to figure out why things are not working as they should.

Ah they joy of watching a rotating cube ..

[Surfr]

DK2 ordered. Along with a new PC to run the whole shebang. I needed something for Elite: Dangerous and Prepar3d anyway. Now having looked at iRacing on rift videos on youtube, I'm thinking I need a wheel as well as the new Saitek X55 HOTAS. SO many new shiny things! Shame about the quoted August delivery for the DK2 though :/

[Harlequin]

The headset is out of the bag...

Llamasoft working on PS4 Project Morpheus.

[gilesgoat]

The headset is out of the bag...

Llamasoft working on PS4 Project Morpheus.

... we highly recommend for those who can to come to Blackpool 2014 to see some demo ... (*)







(*) that will be freely made available after the exhibition or so .. (**)


(**) no we cannot show Morpheus, what you'll see is OR.

[Mqark]

Nice that the demo will be on OR - I don't really want to buy into the Sony ecosystem now that I've committed myself to PC+OR.
I know it's early, and there's probably an NDA or such, but I hope you can release it across several VR platforms and not just Sony.

[gilesgoat]

Nice that the demo will be on OR - I don't really want to buy into the Sony ecosystem now that I've committed myself to PC+OR.
I know it's early, and there's probably an NDA or such, but I hope you can release it across several VR platforms and not just Sony.

"Several" ?

/me counts on his fingers .. one .. two ? ..

[Misfit]

DK2 ordered. Along with a new PC to run the whole shebang. I needed something for Elite: Dangerous and Prepar3d anyway. Now having looked at iRacing on rift videos on youtube, I'm thinking I need a wheel as well as the new Saitek X55 HOTAS. SO many new shiny things! Shame about the quoted August delivery for the DK2 though :/

It's August now? Is that everyone or just because you've only just bought in?

Still hoping for a bit sooner for mine. At least I can fund this one through work 'SDK' will get past the accountant. Not sure I can do the same for the PS4 headset I'm now going to need too...

[Mqark]

Nice that the demo will be on OR - I don't really want to buy into the Sony ecosystem now that I've committed myself to PC+OR.
I know it's early, and there's probably an NDA or such, but I hope you can release it across several VR platforms and not just Sony.

"Several" ?

/me counts on his fingers .. one .. two ? ..

You may need to employ your second hand soon - there are 3 so far: OV, Sony, Cast AR/VR.

And although no-one outside of the press have had their hands on it - Avegant. [edit: reading up on it a bit more it has been demonstrated at shows and there's a Kickstarter - yours for only $499!]

There will be countless other clones and wannabes. At the moment, I've seen GameFace Labs, and something else at a trade show I can't remember the name of at the moment.

[gilesgoat]

Nice that the demo will be on OR - I don't really want to buy into the Sony ecosystem now that I've committed myself to PC+OR.
I know it's early, and there's probably an NDA or such, but I hope you can release it across several VR platforms and not just Sony.

"Several" ?

/me counts on his fingers .. one .. two ? ..

You may need to employ your second hand soon - there are 3 so far: OV, Sony, Cast AR/VR.

And although no-one outside of the press have had their hands on it - Avegant. [edit: reading up on it a bit more it has been demonstrated at shows and there's a Kickstarter - yours for only $499!]

There will be countless other clones and wannabes. At the moment, I've seen GameFace Labs, and something else at a trade show I can't remember the name of at the moment.

This is definitely a true case of "seeing is believing" I mean "you have to SEE it to judge it", all the rest can be lot of talk but you really need to see how it works.

I think all "wannabe" should probably die "instantly" unless people are really so weird to really want to buy crap as long as it's cheap.

I say so not to discredit people but it's a fact that or things are done REALLY WELL or they just don't work, I don't think there's any space for "anything in the middle", VR is really very tricky, has to be done right or the experience is awful, this applies to SW AND especially to HW.

Good thing is that give a device one can always compare one with another so there's no doubt that what really works and what doesn't will be evident.

I suppose that .. thanks to wannabe .. the market of anti-vomit stuff and prescription lenses for people with damaged eyesight cause too much used of wannabe devices will peak LOT in the next few years

[edit] - MY personal opinion ( that COULD be WRONG and change by time ).

If anyone tomorrow talks me of another kickstarter for another VR product, after seeing those I've seen, it would ONLY get my money ONLY and ONLY there's
a pretty strong pitch around the lines of " .. we are going to make it MUCH better than .. and this is HOW we are going to do it .. ".

Because I've seen what is now, and if you are going to tell me "I am going to make it even cheaper" or "I am going to make the same" or "this is really going to be
better than" ( and turns out it isn't ) I tell you straight on that then "in my opinion then that thing is completely worthless".

There's still lot of room for improvement for VR, but I also believe that maybe "that's the problem, you need to raise up the bar" if you want to do "another" thing
DON'T talk me about cheaper, it's already "too cheap" as it is, talk to me only about better .. if you can ..