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adam wrote:do people still use filters then? i suppose they must... just looked at lce, only practical filters on sale, no sign of more whacky ones http://www.lcegroup.co.uk/New/Celestron ... _3624.html
Yep, though far less common with digital.

Obviously clear protectors on all lenses (I'd much rather smash a £50 filter than a £2k lens!)

Other than that it's really just the aforementioned circular polariser and various flavours of neutral density filters. 1,2, 3 & 10-stop NDs. Then I have 1,2 & 3 stop soft grads and the same in reverse grads too.
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adam wrote:do people still use filters then? i suppose they must... just looked at lce, only practical filters on sale, no sign of more whacky ones http://www.lcegroup.co.uk/New/Celestron ... _3624.html
That's a fairly specific thing for a telescope isn't it?

Plenty of filter goodness to be had: http://www.wexphotographic.com/lens-filters/c2019
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Starburst filter ftw - sod Photoshop, do it in camera! (First filter I ever had on my old Practika SLR vack in the day)
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Bit of a good price on the Nikon DX 35mm there's also £20 cashback at the mo!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nikon-AF-S-NIKK ... 001S2PPT0/
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(o)(o) wrote:Bit of a good price on the Nikon DX 35mm there's also £20 cashback at the mo!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nikon-AF-S-NIKK ... 001S2PPT0/
Nice alternative standard lens.
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Zoot wrote:Starburst filter ftw - sod Photoshop, do it in camera! (First filter I ever had on my old Practika SLR vack in the day)
Yeah, my dad used to tell me how his grandad used to talk about those..
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Loving learning about photography with this 5D...

So..I really want to be able to take long exposure shots in daylight. Y'know, the typical thing that everyone does where flowing water looks super smooth and misty...

So a filter's what I need right? Neutral Density, 10 stop?
Thinking of buying this: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/72mm-NEW-ICE ... 46187b880f

So cheap compared to big name brands I've seen on camera shop sites... Worth a go?

My dad, who has a bunch of camera stuff, is sending me a circular polarising filter, but I dunno what exactly it is.. (your comparison with/without filter pic is amazing RiK).. He reckons it might do an ok job at the daytime long exposures.. Should I get this Ice 10 stop ND one as well maybe? =)
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nyarla wrote:So..I really want to be able to take long exposure shots in daylight. Y'know, the typical thing that everyone does where flowing water looks super smooth and misty...
Yep!
nyarla wrote:So a filter's what I need right? Neutral Density, 10 stop?
ND filters, yes. Density will depend on what you're looking to achieve. A 10 stop filter is really for that silky smooth effect on very choppy water, whereas in a lot of cases you only need to achieve something like 1/10th -> ½s to show movement.
nyarla wrote:Thinking of buying this: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/72mm-NEW-ICE ... 46187b880f

So cheap compared to big name brands I've seen on camera shop sites... Worth a go?
Two problems:
With a 10 stop, it's like welding glass. You can't see through it *at all* so you need to compose your frame, focus etc. and then attach the filter. With a screw-in filter that's fiddly, and if you're half way down a welsh waterfall somewhere it can be a real pain if you have to do it a few times.. I learned that the expensive way. I bought a *really* nice B&W one at about £120. Used it twice and found it to be a pain in the arse, so I cut my losses and bought the Lee Big Stopper.

Also, with cheap filters they often really aren't very neutral and you can get a nasty colour cast on long exposures. Yes you can correct the raw file later but it's another thing to think about.
nyarla wrote:My dad, who has a bunch of camera stuff, is sending me a circular polarising filter, but I dunno what exactly it is.. (your comparison with/without filter pic is amazing RiK).. He reckons it might do an ok job at the daytime long exposures..
In simple terms, a polariser eliminates scattered light and when aligned with the direct sunlight will reduce reflections and increase the contrast, producing amazing definition in the clouds, brighter sky, more vivid colours etc. It will also lose about 1 - 1½ stops too so you can use it in place of an ND filter for those simple water shots too.

Right, a few examples then:

One I did last week:
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Second Severn Crossing by Richard Olpin LRPS, on Flickr

That's 70s, f/16 and ISO 50. I did previously do a 40s exposure at ISO100 which worked ok for the fairly choppy water, but didn't show enough movement in the clouds.
I used a 10 stop filter (Lee Big Stopper)

And some older things:
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BreconWaterfalls-9882-Edit by Richard Olpin LRPS, on Flickr

1.3s @ f/16: Off the top of my head that was probably just a 2 or 3 stop. it was pretty dark down in the valley anyway.

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Brecon Waterfalls by Richard Olpin LRPS, on Flickr
0.6s @ f/16. 2 stop IIRC

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Brecon-8497 by Richard Olpin LRPS, on Flickr
0.5s @ f/16. I think that was probably just my B+W Circular Polariser
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Lovely pics, exactly what I had in mind... and very useful tips, thanks man!

I'm not toooo bothered (for the moment at least) about crappy glass and colour casts, since my only aim so far is to take some interesting and weird looking pics, for fun. There were similarly priced filters on ebay with adjustable stops as well....

But yeah if I can achieve stuff similar to your pics there with just the polariser, I'll hold off on buying cheapo filters (knowing dad, whatever it is he's got is a fancy one) and see what happens. Cheers!

(In a future installment I shall ask about, and no doubt obsess over, lenses.. since I only have a 35mm one yet...:))
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RiK wrote:IMHO the Hoya Pro-1 is really the minimum acceptable standard.
Necro-thanks, for the tip.. I've been running bare glass just ordered the above.

Just enjoying my new cheapo prime.

Not used a fixed lens for a while it's reminding me to be creative.

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Now fisheyes.. is the following total bollocks?? I'd have low expectations on the technical side.. but it seems like a cheap way to get into superwide lenses. Bmx biker pics in the comments look alright. I might be worried it'll fuck up a nicer lenses thread. Rik?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Opteka-Super-F ... sheye+lens
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(o)(o) wrote: Now fisheyes.. is the following total bollocks?? I'd have low expectations on the technical side.. but it seems like a cheap way to get into superwide lenses. Bmx biker pics in the comments look alright. I might be worried it'll fuck up a nicer lenses thread. Rik?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Opteka-Super-F ... sheye+lens
Damn right. Cheapo lenses are bad enough. That attachment will just slow your lens and degrade the image quality for an effect you can easily get in post processing. You can't use lens hoods and get flares all over. Save up and get a nice 10mm which will still let you get close up center and actually be useful for landscapes.
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I'd just like to ask, could you guys help me find quotes for the D5600, D7200 and D7500, would really appreciate the help.

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Truder wrote:I'd just like to ask, could you guys help me find quotes for the D5600, D7200 and D7500, would really appreciate the help.

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I use this site all of the time and find it very useful, it is a very reliable comparison website for all camera gear

https://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/Nik ... gital-SLRs
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yurt wrote:
Truder wrote:I'd just like to ask, could you guys help me find quotes for the D5600, D7200 and D7500, would really appreciate the help.

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I use this site all of the time and find it very useful, it is a very reliable comparison website for all camera gear

https://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/Nik ... gital-SLRs
Thank you Yurt, that's excellent!
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You can also set up keyword alarms with www.hotukdeals.com ... eg 'Nikon'

Be aware of whether an offer is grey market though. There are good savings to be had if you don't mind a risk.. eGlobal offer some amazing deals, and grey dealers through Amazon but you won't get Nikon warranty!
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