Fool me, this is real good shit ! [the VR thread]

[MegaZoid.]

Wish I read my my posts before posting them, I meant consumer

[Sir_LANs-a-lot]

Really want a Rift but I'm gonna wait for the costumer version , mainly because i need to save up for bloody great pc I'm gonna need to run it.

This is VERY good thinking, listen to this : "when you'll be ready/able to, get the most powerful PC/GPU you can get" .. you WILL NEED IT ! ..

[edit] and this is "biased judgment" ( as I am biased in that ) but I dare to say DON'T even THINK about a laptop !

Is there any processing done on the actual Rift itself? or is it all totally reliant on a host system?

[gilesgoat]

Really want a Rift but I'm gonna wait for the costumer version , mainly because i need to save up for bloody great pc I'm gonna need to run it.

This is VERY good thinking, listen to this : "when you'll be ready/able to, get the most powerful PC/GPU you can get" .. you WILL NEED IT ! ..

[edit] and this is "biased judgment" ( as I am biased in that ) but I dare to say DON'T even THINK about a laptop !

Is there any processing done on the actual Rift itself? or is it all totally reliant on a host system?

I can't remember/don't know if there are/were or not "plans" for putting some computational power, at least about the sensors part, on the OR itself ..

But anyway the point is the GRAPHIC part is definitely all on the PC side of things so think about it, it's like playing TWO high res games simultaneously.

[pogo]

Ars have a much closer look the new prototype it today, with some actual time using it. Seems improved in every department from DK2.

Eyes-on: Oculus’ Crescent Bay prototype is a new high-water mark

And still some way off the consumer version by the sound of it.

[Bod]

I listed my DK2 on ebay for £500 (buy it now), as I am going to hang on for the consumer version now.
I think once there is a release date for the consumer version, the value of the DK2 will be very little - but I didn't expect to have had it sold & collected within 2 hours of listing it !!!

[Dvorak]

I listed my DK2 on ebay for £500 (buy it now), as I am going to hang on for the consumer version now.
I think once there is a release date for the consumer version, the value of the DK2 will be very little - but I didn't expect to have had it sold & collected within 2 hours of listing it !!!

Look, this is Bod.
Bod has sold his DK2.
He will not have fun anymore.
He sits alone at home, counting his money.
Poor Bod.

[pogo]

Sounds like a sensible move. Unless you need one now as a developer the retail version will be much much better, maybe cheaper, and supported by many games. By which time earlier versions will be curious antiques. All you miss out on is a few months beta testing other people's hardware and software.

[Dvorak]

By which time earlier versions will be curious antiques.

[Collector]Exactly.[/Collector]

[gumboot]

I wonder how much the consumer version might suffer from a cost-down to it's intended market position.

[pogo]

I suspect it will cost what it costs. I.e. if they need to ask for $500 to cover costs then they'll do so, and sell initially to enthusiasts. But the price should drop quickly, as they find cheaper ways to make it and as they sell more and more and so benefit from economies of scale. There may be bundles with games as well, as seen on consoles from time to time.

[gumboot]

The prototype may be over-spec for a saleable product (because doing this can be cheaper than many spins adding capabilities you didn't realise you needed previously).

It stands to reason that one might want to cut it back a bit to make the consumer version, so long as you estimate that it's still good enough to capture a market and turn a profit.

You might also want to take some of that money and reinvest it in comfort or bling.

Balancing these things is, of course, entirely subjective (or worse). Lowest common denominators, and all that.

It might be better. It will be better by some metric, but I don't know what metric... and that's what I'm curious about.

[pogo]

They've said (and hands-on reports have confirmed) that the new prototype is better in almost every way than DK2, and that the consumer version will be better still. I don't see any reason to doubt this. Especially since the FB acquisition should mean they're not short of resources to actually deliver.

As for over-spec this happens with consoles because developers need extra options for development - extra ports for debugging communication, extra memory and storage for large debug games and virtual media/disc emulators. But the games for this are being made on PCs.

I guess if something in the prototype were really unnecessary it could be cut but I doubt it. The public prototypes are presumably the result of many iterations and investigations; there shouldn't be anything in there that's surplus to requirements. It's in their interest to get the prototypes as close to the consumer version as possible but not overshoot which would waste money, make it probably more difficult to make them and raise expectations too much.

[Bod]

I listed my DK2 on ebay for £500 (buy it now), as I am going to hang on for the consumer version now.
I think once there is a release date for the consumer version, the value of the DK2 will be very little - but I didn't expect to have had it sold & collected within 2 hours of listing it !!!

Look, this is Bod.
Bod has sold his DK2.
He will not have fun anymore.
He sits alone at home, counting his money.
Poor Bod.

I bought it originally out of curiosity & enjoyed the experience, but apart from LFS nothing has had the WOW factor enough to make me think that I might miss it. Selling it now was logical as far as I'm concerned. I definitely want the finished product & then my DK2 would have been redundant to me & probably not worth much if I was to sell it.

I can't see the problem in using the opportunity for doubling my money along the way. I'm on minimum wage with a mortgage to pay, so unfortunately I have no money to count. The money made from the DK2 sale went towards paying off the credit card.

You're entitled to an opinion though ... just a shame it's not accurate.

[gilesgoat]

I listed my DK2 on ebay for £500 (buy it now), as I am going to hang on for the consumer version now.
I think once there is a release date for the consumer version, the value of the DK2 will be very little - but I didn't expect to have had it sold & collected within 2 hours of listing it !!!

Look, this is Bod.
Bod has sold his DK2.
He will not have fun anymore.
He sits alone at home, counting his money.
Poor Bod.

.. I could not tell you yet .. .. .. but maybe I should ...


...

.. have I told you there have been some problems during transport your DK2 arrived here as a pile of glass and plastic dust

[gilesgoat]

I listed my DK2 on ebay for £500 (buy it now), as I am going to hang on for the consumer version now.
I think once there is a release date for the consumer version, the value of the DK2 will be very little - but I didn't expect to have had it sold & collected within 2 hours of listing it !!!

Look, this is Bod.
Bod has sold his DK2.
He will not have fun anymore.
He sits alone at home, counting his money.
Poor Bod.

I bought it originally out of curiosity & enjoyed the experience, but apart from LFS nothing has had the WOW factor enough to make me think that I might miss it. Selling it now was logical as far as I'm concerned. I definitely want the finished product & then my DK2 would have been redundant to me & probably not worth much if I was to sell it.

I can't see the problem in using the opportunity for doubling my money along the way. I'm on minimum wage with a mortgage to pay, so unfortunately I have no money to count. The money made from the DK2 sale went towards paying off the credit card.

You're entitled to an opinion though ... just a shame it's not accurate.

Well .. there's been times I could have given lessons of savings to Uncle Scrooge .. truly using 'any single penny that counted (*)' for only one purpose "pay the mortgage off" .

I think we all ( or most of us ) know that feeling, the only "difference" is that in that situation I would have never got an OR in the first place, but since you doubled the money on it Uncle Scrooge
would say 'get another one and repeat the feature'

About prototypes well essential for a developer, there's no other way you could really see swear on all the fucking mess/bugs/sdks what's going on while you develop SW, certainly
even OR been among the first one to say "don't buy one if what you are looking for is a finished product".

There was a guy this spring at Replay ( Blackpool ) that was all so excited he was putting out a certain 'stunt' to get something like 30 or so OR DK2 ( using some tricks ) with the sole purpose
of reselling them doubling/tripling his money, sure he wasn't the only one doing so SO you would not be the first that got an OR and re-sold it for an even higher price.

DK2 ? .. nah .. now I want the NEW super swanky prototype

(*) it was lire at that time really, then eur.