If someone murdered one of my children then emotionally, obviously I would want to kill them. How could you not? But there have been too many cases of things going wrong, of the wrong people being executed, of evidence coming to light after the execution, and sometimes there is just too much of an element of doubt. And I just don't honestly think that in a civilised society like ours that you can have the death penalty any more.
David Cameron probably wrote:But I also recognise that you need to be true to your core principles; will it get me votes? Would it keep the bufton-tufton-Boris's-barmy army at bay? If answer is yes to either of these question then capital punishment is something I am duty bound to consider
People change their minds over time - it doesn't look terribly likely at this point sure, but if we leave the EU and something big happens and stirs mass anger like another terrorist attack or serial child rapist, it seems possible to me that it could at least get some serious discussion. An unfortunate combination of events and circumstances, a bit like how fires start.
Like I said, I'll have a tenner on that. Last serious debate was in 1994, but there's plenty of bloodthirsty loons out there that he's gonna have to make moves to appease.
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You can't go to prison for not paying the license fee - ONLY if you refuse to pay court imposed fines.
Assuming you have the relevant connected TV equipment, since a court imposed fine of 1000 is a consequence of not paying the license fee that's splitting hairs, and of no comfort to the 1 a week jailed for it mentioned below:
Its a criminal offence, which is why they are suggesting decriminalising it to prevent all the criminal prosecutions the BBC gets to bring. But if you want to test it, go right ahead.
Absolute_Zero wrote:When I lose I'll sign pogo up for 5 months of the Morning Star :D
FTFY
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offyoutoddle wrote:Its a criminal offence, which is why they are suggesting decriminalising it to prevent all the criminal prosecutions the BBC gets to bring. But if you want to test it, go right ahead.
Yes. It’s not a criminal offence to not pay your gas bill. Or your electricity bill. Or your phone bill. Or your internet bill. Or your water bill. So why should it be a criminal offence to pay a much less important bill for BBC TV? Unlike with water/gas/electricity you hardly deprive anyone else of the service if you watch TV without paying.
You can argue that unlike all those other services they can’t just cut off BBC TV. Except that was true with analog (and is still true of radio) but stopped being true with digital. When DTVB was launched all the set top boxes had card slots for paid services, which were used by ONdigital/ITV Digital. It would have been easy send you a card along with your printed license fee that you could use to watch BBC TV. Probably far cheaper to enforce than all the manpower and effort that goes into chasing up non-payers today.
snoopers charter back on the menu
repeal the human rights act
float capital punishment (maybe)
penalise the BBC out of petty spite for not being a state mouthpiece (much as I dislike the BBC, surely they can't claim altruism on their reasons for doing this)
Did I miss anything or were they just worried we wouldn't realise the Tories were back in full force?
I am pretty sure he wants it out of the way rather than hanging over his head. I don't know if they think they can win it or not, publicly Cameron says he wants to. Maybe he hopes he will lose and give him a door out of the whole mess he's got himself into....
Thought David Miliband came across as fair and not as bitter as I imagined he might do. If there is anyone in his party still listening, they would do well to have a think about that all.
David Steel really should have held onto that thought about being seen and not heard though. His last sentence seems to indicate he didn't notice his party being reduced so their AGM could be pulled off in the local pub. Surely he can't imagine all is ok now, and that the people just wanted to make a quick point - all forgiven and forgotten David? I don't think so.
actually just some armchair crystal ball gazing here - what do we all think about the outcome of referendum on Europe - In or Out? not what do you want, what do you think will happen?
I think it will probably be out. I disagree with almost all the European Federalisation but its better to be in and fighting than outside and be ignored.
