Yes, sounds like me. Don’t know how long ago I wrote that but you can see perhaps why I’m sceptical of “borrowing to invest”, when so much investment was wasted previously. It does highlight one place things have improved, though, the number attending university. But that has not been achieved by throwing money at the problem, it’s largely been achieved by reducing the per-student subsidy, getting students to make up the gap.gravy wrote:Oh hold on, wrong link, this is it:
I am a teacher, though I haven't taught professionally for many years. I agree it is much nicer now for teachers than when Labour came to power. But education is meant to be about helping students and there's little evidence the doubling of money that happened under Labour made any difference to the education of students. One measure of that is how few state-educated students get into university. It has improved but mostly as there are now many more places and universities and entry standards are lower. But the proportion of state students getting into older, more prestigious universities has changed little, despite the universities doing they can to change this.
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LOL!gravy wrote:Yeah pogo was a teacher, isn't this him?
I don't see much merit to this claim "I am a teacher" it could mean practically anything.gravy wrote:Oh hold on, wrong link, this is it:
I am a teacher, though I haven't taught professionally for many years. I agree it is much nicer now for teachers than when Labour came to power. But education is meant to be about helping students and there's little evidence the doubling of money that happened under Labour made any difference to the education of students. One measure of that is how few state-educated students get into university. It has improved but mostly as there are now many more places and universities and entry standards are lower. But the proportion of state students getting into older, more prestigious universities has changed little, despite the universities doing they can to change this.
Including the delusion he's teaching us.
As it happens I DO know senior figures in the field of education research and evaluation. The contrast between pogo's smear and their views couldn't be more stark.
To clarify these are people in the business of measuring the effectiveness of teaching methods and employing best practice. The ratio of public services like schooling is obviously not a simple function ratio against investment.
An enormous drain on resources in the past 5 years has been trying to fend off Tory ideological policies. A classic example being learning by rote but that's just one example. As with other public services the ideological assault has been wide ranging and unrelenting.
They are more interested in compliance than education. A good way of achieving compliance is through conditionin per the methods promoted by Tory ministers which like the military revolve around repetition memorisation and discipline as opposed to independent thinking.
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I am a qualified teacher: I did a PGCE and went straight from that into teaching. But that was rather a while ago.
As for your senior figures in the field of education research and evaluation, what are their views? Are they saying that the doubling of education spending under Labour had a significant educational impact? My assertion is that it didn’t, as evidenced by formal tests such as PISA.
And government policies have been the opposite of ideological. They have taken the academy programme, started by Labour, and expanded it, letting more schools set their own priorities free of local authority control, so not imposing any particular ideology on them, though they still have to teach the National Curriculum. So not especially ideological and anyway it is a Labour policy.
As for your senior figures in the field of education research and evaluation, what are their views? Are they saying that the doubling of education spending under Labour had a significant educational impact? My assertion is that it didn’t, as evidenced by formal tests such as PISA.
And government policies have been the opposite of ideological. They have taken the academy programme, started by Labour, and expanded it, letting more schools set their own priorities free of local authority control, so not imposing any particular ideology on them, though they still have to teach the National Curriculum. So not especially ideological and anyway it is a Labour policy.
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That's been a bit of a disaster in places.
The lack of requirement for PGCE or any qualification to teach in independent schools is really stupid.
The lack of requirement for PGCE or any qualification to teach in independent schools is really stupid.
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They are diligently trying to fend off bullshit Tory policies.pogo wrote:As for your senior figures in the field of education research and evaluation, what are their views?
Imagine you've got something you understand very well and a clueless muppet comes along and throws a spanner in the works and is constantly fucking everything up.
That's Michael Gove in a nutshell.
I mean both parties mostly serve outside concentrations of power so pointing the finger at Labour doesn't win you any prizes Labour get it in the neck where Labour is at fault.
It's just the Tories are an order of magnitude more malevolent or mental or whatever.
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What ideological policies? The main one I’m aware of has been academies, a Labour policy they continued and extended, and hardly ideological. Education has done relatively well out of the coalition, with health escaping large-scale cuts. There are exam reforms but they haven’t been implemented. And anyway they were introduced by schools minister David Laws, a Lib Dem.(o)(o) wrote:They are diligently trying to fend off bullshit Tory policies.pogo wrote:As for your senior figures in the field of education research and evaluation, what are their views?
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Don't academies allow parents, PTA's or Parent Councils to appoint their governors and school board, or similar bodies ?
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As usual pogo's blinkers are onpogo wrote:What ideological policies? The main one I’m aware of has been academies, a Labour policy they continued and extended, and hardly ideological. Education has done relatively well out of the coalition, with health escaping large-scale cuts. There are exam reforms but they haven’t been implemented. And anyway they were introduced by schools minister David Laws, a Lib Dem.(o)(o) wrote:They are diligently trying to fend off bullshit Tory policies.pogo wrote:As for your senior figures in the field of education research and evaluation, what are their views?
Free Schools
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That was one of 2 reasons Tories lost Hammersmith & Fulham Council
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Aforementioned associate among the contributors there!VNVObit wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/education/20 ... -secretary
Yeah pogo lost me with his "only change is academies isn't it?" conment.
There have been so very many changes. A personal gripe is the marginalisation of creative arts.
Speaking of education, can anybody remember the most recent chancellor qualified in economics?
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For people who Do The Right Thing(TM)!(o)(o) wrote:It IS the party for the working people.
I'm still trying to find a definition for that one. Maybe they mean Right as in political compass? But then "Do The Slightly To The Right Of Centre Thing" might've been a little more accurate
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No evidence academies and free schools have better standards of teaching. And certainly no evidence of the ridiculous claim that setting up free schools somehow improves the standards at nearby schools.
The plan to FORCE failing schools to become academies is deeply flawed, when you see how expensive academies are per pupil.
The plan to FORCE failing schools to become academies is deeply flawed, when you see how expensive academies are per pupil.
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Expensive isn't a problem because as soon as something is expensive, somebody else is making a profit. Moving tax money into private pockets? Sound like a Tory policy to me.
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Or a Labour one. Let's not pretend that ideological difference exists, only the extent to which each feels they can get away with it.
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