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The Doctor as the Hybrid? Whatever would have given you that idea?
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Rubisco wrote: He's a hermaphrodite who fucks himself
...which is why so many viewers have been suggesting he goes and does precisely that in recent years.

I'm quite looking forward to this one, off to watch it with a mate who hasn't seen any of this series, having watched all the other ones. Be interesting to see what he thinks it might have been like.
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Didn't see that coming.

Going to have to watch it again, just because I got caught pondering each pair of new questions raised just as one older one was answered (or evaded: "Does it matter?"), and therefore lost a tight grip on the thread around halfway through.

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Good episode.
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I have no idea what was going on. Seriously.
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Like Istar, I didn't see some of that coming. I did predict that:
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1) The hybrid wasn't going to be explicitly revealed, and a variety of theories were mentioned. I did like the harking back to the Dr Who special with McGann and that the Doctor was half human heh.
2) Ashildr would be waiting at the end of the universe once the Doctor mentioned he was going there.
3) It would be the Doctor that loses his memory because he didn't react as I expected when he entered the dinner.
So... does this mean the Doctor may bump into a couple of people next series on his travels, and a whole new ball game begins as he remembers? Or will he not remember them then and they could end up in some point in the universe we never hear about again like Jenny?
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He apparently recognises River in the Xmas special.
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Zoot wrote:He apparently recognises River in the Xmas special.
It's only his memories of Clara that have been blocked.

Note 'blocked', by the way. Not erased.
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Spinoff? Or pop-up guest stars? :?
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So Mr Moffat finds a way to have his cake and eat it. Quite gloriously.
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I was quite shocked that the writer most infamous for his unwillingness to properly and permanently kill characters from "Everybody lives!" onward would kill Clara in what seemed such a definitive way. Here he seems to have kept it as her final and proper end but still allowed her to continue adventuring indefinitely before that point. I think her exit is a very satisfying reversal of the horrific end to Donna's travels.
It was very nice to see a classic Tardis interior. It is also nice to know there is an all-female Tardis crew out there somewhere. Now I wonder if they might run into Jenny someday. I do think it a slight pity that Timothy Dalton did not reprise his role.
Harlequin wrote:The Doctor as the Hybrid? Whatever would have given you that idea?
"The Hybrid is Me"?

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Istar wrote:Going to have to watch it again, just because I got caught pondering each pair of new questions raised just as one older one was answered (or evaded: "Does it matter?"), and therefore lost a tight grip on the thread around halfway through.
I think that one was eventually answered about as much as a vague prophesy could be.
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That the two great races "forced together to create a warrior greater than either" could refer to two like-thinking people fit well enough.
Zoot wrote:I have no idea what was going on. Seriously.
The Time Lords have got a big computer in a crypt...

Ah. Wrong explanation...
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The Time Lords fear a prophesy, created by their predictive algorithmic dead-Time-Lord-memory-storing computer in a crypt (which appeared in many classic stories), about a 'hybrid': "Two great warrior races forced together to create a warrior greater than either" that would "stand in the ruins of Gallifrey and destroy a billion hearts to heal its own.” Moreover, they think the Doctor knows something about it. Actually, he thought the hybrid was the Me previously known as Ashildr but he was probably wrong.

The previous two episodes were the Time Lord efforts, in the last years of the universe, to capture the Doctor and discover what he knew (with Clara's death being an unintended accident caused by her trying to be too much like the Doctor). One interpretation of the prophesy is that the hybrid is the pairing of the Doctor and Clara, forced together by Missy as part of her schemes (as established in previous episodes). The destruction of the billion hearts could refer to the fracturing of time over half the life of the universe if the Doctor were to erase the Fixed Point of Clara's death-by-raven.

The Time Lords have plucked Clara from her timestream much as they did with previous Doctors in classic multi-Doctor stories. She must eventually return to that point and to her death. Before going back to her final heartbeats, though, she is able to adventure around the universe with Me in a time-travelling roadside restaurant.

The Doctor is back in his magenta velvety jacket. And he has a whole new screwdriver.
Mayhem wrote:So... does this mean the Doctor may bump into a couple of people next series on his travels, and a whole new ball game begins as he remembers? …
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He seemed to have accepted her absence by the end and decided to follow her last order: to run out there and be a Doctor. It could also be,though, that he has worked it out already with the help of the sonic sunglasses he activated and placed on the counter just before their conversation. In that case he has acceded to her wishes (mirroring more kindly the dual deception of her original exit in Death in Heaven).
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Spoiler: show
A diner floating endlessly in spacetime? Will they eventually come across Sapphire and Steel?

That was a cracker. That was "leaning forward hugging a plush and completely transfixed" material. I kind of wish the Doctor didn't have to forget Clara, but I bet he won't for long...

As for the trailer, is anyone else NOT surprised that River is back? I mean, her story was never finished as they've never done all the business of him crying when she first meets him and snapping his fingers to operate the TARDIS doors. (okay, I think the Matt Smith Doctor did that once, but it was in reference to what she'd told him)
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Oh one more thing. "It's for the boys"
So he has a brother? I think I can guess who that is...
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Cloudane wrote:
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A diner floating endlessly in spacetime? Will they eventually come across Sapphire and Steel?
Now that you write that I wonder if it was in part a deliberate homage to ex-DW writer and script editor Douglas Adams. In fact, Life, the Universe and Everything began as a rejected DW script, after which Slartibartfast replaced the Doctor and the Bistromath (with its SEP field) replaced the Tardis.
Cloudane wrote:Oh one more thing. "It's for the boys"
So he has a brother? I think I can guess who that is...
Different boys to the ones you are thinking of, I assume. The Doctor had not been to that place for a great many millennia.
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