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[Darkflame]

I enjoyed that quite a bit. Nice to have a more character driven final indeed - and a brave move to some extent. My only issue a little was the explanation for the memory block necessity wasn't clear to me. Blocking memory's of her helps the Doctor give her up, sure. But how does blocking her memory's of him keep her alive? Does the Raven home in on memory's?
Anyway, still good. - and I love even the vague maybe acknowledgement of the half-human thing from the TV movie. Sure that pisses of some areas of the fandom.

I think possibly this is also the best season of new Who so far. At least, only one not so good episode for me. Enjoyed almost all the rest.

[Little stoned kiwi]

The entire episode was about Clara's 'exit'. Which is disappointing because her earlier one was grand, they cheapened it.

Sure there were titbits about prophesy, hybrids, Gallifrey, and other coloured morsels of sugar thrown about for the kids the chase. But it was all just pretty, meaningless baubles hanging off Clara. I want to watch Dr.Who, not Lost with the potential of a spinoff involving Zombie Clara and her immortal companion.

[Baggypants]

The entire episode was about Clara's 'exit'. Which is disappointing because her earlier one was grand, they cheapened it.

Sure there were titbits about prophesy, hybrids, Gallifrey, and other coloured morsels of sugar thrown about for the kids the chase. But it was all just pretty, meaningless baubles hanging off Clara. I want to watch Dr.Who, not Lost with the potential of a spinoff involving Zombie Clara and her immortal companion.

baubles hanging off Clara

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[anon76235]

The entire episode was about Clara's 'exit'. Which is disappointing because her earlier one was grand, they cheapened it.

Sure there were titbits about prophesy, hybrids, Gallifrey, and other coloured morsels of sugar thrown about for the kids the chase. But it was all just pretty, meaningless baubles hanging off Clara. I want to watch Dr.Who, not Lost with the potential of a spinoff involving Zombie Clara and her immortal companion.

baubles hanging off Clara

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merry christmas everybody!

[Harlequin]

Are people forgetting that when that lady said it was for the boys it was post-Last Great Time War, post-Simm Master and post-Hurt 'Doctor'?

I enjoyed that quite a bit. Nice to have a more character driven final indeed - and a brave move to some extent. My only issue a little was the explanation for the memory block necessity wasn't clear to me. Blocking memory's of her helps the Doctor give her up, sure. But how does blocking her memory's of him keep her alive? Does the Raven home in on memory's?

"That stuff in your head, the image of me,they could use it to find you." But then Clara rejected the need for the Doctor to keep her safe and it became about splitting up their dangerous hybrid relationship.

[Governmentyard]

The entire episode was about Clara's 'exit'. Which is disappointing because her earlier one was grand, they cheapened it.

Sure there were titbits about prophesy, hybrids, Gallifrey, and other coloured morsels of sugar thrown about for the kids the chase. But it was all just pretty, meaningless baubles hanging off Clara. I want to watch Dr.Who, not Lost with the potential of a spinoff involving Zombie Clara and her immortal companion.

Come on, you know the rules. It's Doctor Who. You can either have Clara back straightaway, or you can have the raven incident followed by two or three series of foreshadowing and callbacks followed by a resurrection. Which would have necessitated The Doctor being defined a bit by the no-Claraness.

Here, they've sort of done a soft reset on the main character so next year he can just get on with being normal. I for one am grateful. Which isn't to say we won't see her again...

[WiteWulf]

Here, they've sort of done a soft reset on the main character so next year he can just get on with being normal. I for one am grateful. Which isn't to say we won't see her again...

I'm pitching for a Charlie's Angels-esque spin off with Half-Timelord Jenny, Undead Clara and Immortal Viking Ashildr tonking around the universe in a TARDIS with a *working* Chamelon circuit.

[Harlequin]

Here, they've sort of done a soft reset on the main character so next year he can just get on with being normal. I for one am grateful. Which isn't to say we won't see her again...

I'm pitching for a Charlie's Angels-esque spin off with Half-Timelord Jenny, Undead Clara and Immortal Viking Ashildr tonking around the universe in a TARDIS with a *working* Chamelon circuit.

Me said she did not think she had got the chameleon circuit working. They are stuck travelling time and space in a flying restaurant. Which would explain why it looked the same when Rory, Amy and the Doctor ate there in The Impossible Astronaut (presumably during one of Clara and Me's return visits when they parked on the wrong side of the hill).

What are the chances they will return to let quasi-TimeLord River join them at the end of the Christmas Special?

Next year's spinoff is set in the school Clara (and Ian, Barbara and Danny) worked at. I suppose Clara and/or Me could make an appearance in the first episode.

[Rubisco]

How did the tardis get to America with the graffiti on it if the graffiti fell off when it dematerialised?

[Darkflame]

It was painted after it was already there I assume?

Are people forgetting that when that lady said it was for the boys it was post-Last Great Time War, post-Simm Master and post-Hurt 'Doctor'?

I enjoyed that quite a bit. Nice to have a more character driven final indeed - and a brave move to some extent. My only issue a little was the explanation for the memory block necessity wasn't clear to me. Blocking memory's of her helps the Doctor give her up, sure. But how does blocking her memory's of him keep her alive? Does the Raven home in on memory's?

"That stuff in your head, the image of me,they could use it to find you." But then Clara rejected the need for the Doctor to keep her safe and it became about splitting up their dangerous hybrid relationship.

But who is the "they" in that sentence? The Time Lords? Do they have some track-by-memory tech? I dont think its been mentioned.

Her threat of death was from a supposedly impossible to out run birdy of death spirit too, so not sure how that would have been dealt with in the Doctors plan. It cant be as simple as tardising off too a different time, as they could have done that whenever they liked without the whole risk of the universe stuff.

[Istar]

It was painted after it was already there I assume?.

Nope - after being abandoned in London at the end of Face The Raven, we see Rigsy painting it.

Presumably The Doc's Type-40 was carried to the desert inside the Clara/Me TARDIS - thus, its demat sequence wouldn't have been activated prior to his return to it.

[Harlequin]

"That stuff in your head, the image of me,they could use it to find you." But then Clara rejected the need for the Doctor to keep her safe and it became about splitting up their dangerous hybrid relationship.

But who is the "they" in that sentence? The Time Lords? Do they have some track-by-memory tech? I dont think its been mentioned.

The "they" is presumably the Time Lords. I have no problem with this being the first mention of their being able to use people's memories.

Her threat of death was from a supposedly impossible to out run birdy of death spirit too, so not sure how that would have been dealt with in the Doctors plan. It cant be as simple as tardising off too a different time, as they could have done that whenever they liked without the whole risk of the universe stuff.

The raven still killed her. She is just taking a break between a couple of her final heartbeats. She is removed from her proper timeline, which is why her heart is not beating in the state we now see her in. She knows she must return to that moment. She is just going there the long way round.

I wonder if earlier incarnations in classic multi-Doctor stories also had non-beating hearts.

[Rubisco]

Are people forgetting that when that lady said it was for the boys it was post-Last Great Time War, post-Simm Master and post-Hurt 'Doctor'?

That lady was credited as "The Woman", just like this character was...

[Dio]

Hmmm. For me, those last two are the Moff being a bit too clever for his own good. There's some enormously clever and even original ideas buried under there but for me they were both over-long and I wonder how a non-fan coped with all the fanwank. Yes, the nods to all the Doctors in the first was great - there was one moment I was almost sure it was a Tom Baker voiceover, and another I suddenly thought it was Jon Pertwee on screen, but the mrs was bored to tears by it all and I can't say it was much beyond the clever.

Then the second is so clever it grins with its own conceit (oh look, a white bloke can regnerate into a black girl, no more moaning about precedent white-boy-Doctor-wankers). I liked that one, but again the mrs gave me a "2 hours of my life for that?" look at the end of it all.

A great try, but overall it's a bit of a miss for me. Then again I never like the companion-leaving episodes. Too much schmaltz.

Capaldi is still brilliant though.

[Darkflame]

Nothing can ever be too clever. Too complex, perhaps (imho it wasn't), but too clever?

"That stuff in your head, the image of me,they could use it to find you." But then Clara rejected the need for the Doctor to keep her safe and it became about splitting up their dangerous hybrid relationship.

But who is the "they" in that sentence? The Time Lords? Do they have some track-by-memory tech? I dont think its been mentioned.

The "they" is presumably the Time Lords. I have no problem with this being the first mention of their being able to use people's memories.

Her threat of death was from a supposedly impossible to out run birdy of death spirit too, so not sure how that would have been dealt with in the Doctors plan. It cant be as simple as tardising off too a different time, as they could have done that whenever they liked without the whole risk of the universe stuff.

The raven still killed her. She is just taking a break between a couple of her final heartbeats. She is removed from her proper timeline, which is why her heart is not beating in the state we now see her in. She knows she must return to that moment. She is just going there the long way round.

yes, I know thats that happened - claras plan if you like, but that wasn't the doctors original plan - he thought he heart would have started beating again. It also seemed (to me) to be implied his plan wasn't for her to ever come back to get killed by that ravan. I could be mistaken there.
But if that really was his plan all along then he could have done it as soon as the Ravan was released, jump in the tardis and run away with some vague promise to come back at some point a second after they left.
I think that the Time-Lords tech must have been needed. Must have done something different then merely jumping away and back a few (external) seconds later.