Now the film has been released, rather than try and discuss it in a thread where others haven't seen it and get lost in spoiler tags, i thought maybe it would be better to have a thread that people knew had spoilers so it's their own fault if they venture inside....
Anyway, overall I thought it was excellent. Star Wars by a fan for the fans. No stupid characters or pandering to kids.
Yes, it was a bit new hope and a little could be sped up and a few plot holes (some presumably filled and some odd - just why would there be a map to Luke?), but in general I think it's what most of us wanted.
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"Yes, it was a bit new hope "
So we've read the same critic's comments. Being like New Hope shouldn't be up for discussion and apologies certainly should never be needed.
I found it laughable seeing IMDB's many negative 1-2 star reviews all screaming "rehash", people who blatantly weren't around to experience the magic of the original in its unique era and have most likely yet to experience that history does repeat itself in real life.
If you dissect the parts people are finding fault with, they are like real life. Luke going into hiding, rehash just like Yoda and Obi-Wan? So the force isn't allowed to be mental strain, or a gift people get uncomtforatble with. The critics are clam,ing Luke should have been helping the resistance all along.
Maybe they'd have preferred if Vader's Grandson had been a forklift driver in some far away cargo bay, with his parents never admitting that they'd made mistakes or not worrying over the possibilities of him turning out like a dark blood relative.
The film is a Nostalgic treat for a generation. Many who would have spent time in the last decade seeking nostalgia, via old toys, classic vehicles, retro-video games but realising they needed rose tinted glasses. The marvel of cinema is that this could be served up without the need for rose tinted glasses and is also an enjoyable film in its own right. the Nostalgic elements are not even crucial to the film but are done very well.
My Sons have grown up to near teenagers, with pixar studios, numerous star wars cartoons and copy cats, video games that look like real-life, although they enjoyed the originals, I know the same magic isn't quite there for them, but they still rate it as one of the best films they've seen.
So we've read the same critic's comments. Being like New Hope shouldn't be up for discussion and apologies certainly should never be needed.
I found it laughable seeing IMDB's many negative 1-2 star reviews all screaming "rehash", people who blatantly weren't around to experience the magic of the original in its unique era and have most likely yet to experience that history does repeat itself in real life.
If you dissect the parts people are finding fault with, they are like real life. Luke going into hiding, rehash just like Yoda and Obi-Wan? So the force isn't allowed to be mental strain, or a gift people get uncomtforatble with. The critics are clam,ing Luke should have been helping the resistance all along.
Maybe they'd have preferred if Vader's Grandson had been a forklift driver in some far away cargo bay, with his parents never admitting that they'd made mistakes or not worrying over the possibilities of him turning out like a dark blood relative.
The film is a Nostalgic treat for a generation. Many who would have spent time in the last decade seeking nostalgia, via old toys, classic vehicles, retro-video games but realising they needed rose tinted glasses. The marvel of cinema is that this could be served up without the need for rose tinted glasses and is also an enjoyable film in its own right. the Nostalgic elements are not even crucial to the film but are done very well.
My Sons have grown up to near teenagers, with pixar studios, numerous star wars cartoons and copy cats, video games that look like real-life, although they enjoyed the originals, I know the same magic isn't quite there for them, but they still rate it as one of the best films they've seen.
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I loved all the things people are pissing and moaning about on't'internet.
Starkiller Base: Yes, it's basically a death star, but it's also the place the First Order essentially live. And now it's gone, so the First Order are reduced dramatically. But not before cutting the head off the New Republic, and the Resistance losing much of thier forces in the efforts. From the nexy film onwards, it becomes smaller and more personal. So the return to a big ball of death was entirely appropriate.
Han and Leia: People complaining they were split up. I think there's a whole Anthology movie in there: "We Need to Talk About Kylo"
BB8 - Was just awesome and the exact right amount of funny. Droids in this universe are funny, that's the rule.
Ridley: Was much better in this than Hamill was in Star Wars. And he was fine in that.
Not enough 3PO/R2: Fuck off, they are old and have had plenty of screentime. It was good to see them but frankly, it was plenty.
Other shit: People on the internet are bitches. This film is a joy from end to end. I've not enjoyed a film this much since I first saw Empire.
Starkiller Base: Yes, it's basically a death star, but it's also the place the First Order essentially live. And now it's gone, so the First Order are reduced dramatically. But not before cutting the head off the New Republic, and the Resistance losing much of thier forces in the efforts. From the nexy film onwards, it becomes smaller and more personal. So the return to a big ball of death was entirely appropriate.
Han and Leia: People complaining they were split up. I think there's a whole Anthology movie in there: "We Need to Talk About Kylo"
BB8 - Was just awesome and the exact right amount of funny. Droids in this universe are funny, that's the rule.
Ridley: Was much better in this than Hamill was in Star Wars. And he was fine in that.
Not enough 3PO/R2: Fuck off, they are old and have had plenty of screentime. It was good to see them but frankly, it was plenty.
Other shit: People on the internet are bitches. This film is a joy from end to end. I've not enjoyed a film this much since I first saw Empire.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens - with **SPOILERS**
People are moaning? What's wrong with them. I'm with you 100%.
And I love BB8.
And I love BB8.
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I was prepared to hate BB-8 but couldn't. It was the little thumbs up that won me over, truth be told. And the zapping of Finn. Him clunking down the stairs sealed the deal (although he'd have a devil of a job getting back up them). I still have an issue with the practicality of his design (he'd have to be perfectly positioned for that little drawer to open the right way up and in the right place - ask him to do that at random and it could come out from anywhere, and at any angle).
I loved the fact that the scrolling text at the start basically said - here's the plot of the film - shall we get cracking? (no mention of even a small trade embargo...) And then we're straight into a Star Destroyer slowly obscuring the screen - lovely!
Lots and lots of good stuff throughout. The film shows how to do good fan service. Where the prequels sought to give an unwanted and unnecessary backstory to everything we held dear, this just gave us lots of nods to the original - we have a cantina scene, some trench running, the falcon being chased by Tie-fighters through ship infrastructure etc. Also some lovely funny moments - Chewie had some great bits (the nurse telling him he'd been a brave little soldier, essentially...) Loved Kylo's temper tantrums, and the Stormtroopers backing away sheepishly (he's off on one again...) Too many good bits to list them all.
I mentioned in the other thread I had some niggles, so may as well share them here.
Finn gave up on Po a little easily. He himself had been thrown clear of the crash, so why only look for Po near the vehicle? The moment the Tie-fighter sank, he's like - "Ah well, fuckit - must be dead. Outta here!" and potentially left him lying dying in the desert.
I'd have liked a little more explanation about Han and Chewie turned up quite so quickly - the Falcon had been on the planet for years, yet within seconds of it being stolen and reaching space they turn up and grab it back. Han mentions the string of owners it's had, so he's clearly been tracking it, but just one line of dialogue that said "and we're here now because..." might have smoothed this over a tad for me.
The big dangerous critters that Han was trafficking - the only bit of CGI that really stood out - possibly because the critters themselves didn't look very Star Wars (SW creatures tend to be big lumpy things like the chap that Finn had a drink with - these were all whirling tentacles (although they needed them for Finn's rescue, I guess).
Maybe extending the journey to find Luke a tad would be good. They spend the whole film finding the map of him hidden so stupidly well that noone has been able to find him in decades, and then just pop there like they're nipping down the shops. Yes, technically speaking one jump should get them there, but perhaps stopping off at a planet or two along the way so that local aliens could point them in the right direction might make it look more like a fitting final quest.
And the scenery where Luke was just looked a little too much like it came out of Springwatch, and not as Star-Warsy as it could've. I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd found Chris Packham looking at some puffins at the top instead of Luke. It's a lovely bit of scenery admittedly, but I reckon I've seen it quite a few times already on BBC4 history documentaries, Coast, and Spring/Autumnwatch (probably not an issue if you live in the States though I guess).
There may be one or two others I've forgotten, but even then these are all so trivial that they can be pretty much ignored.
One final thing - I would dearly love it if when we get to see the massive hologrammed Supreme Dark Leader in person (I forget his real title) he turns out to be about six inches tall.
I loved the fact that the scrolling text at the start basically said - here's the plot of the film - shall we get cracking? (no mention of even a small trade embargo...) And then we're straight into a Star Destroyer slowly obscuring the screen - lovely!
Lots and lots of good stuff throughout. The film shows how to do good fan service. Where the prequels sought to give an unwanted and unnecessary backstory to everything we held dear, this just gave us lots of nods to the original - we have a cantina scene, some trench running, the falcon being chased by Tie-fighters through ship infrastructure etc. Also some lovely funny moments - Chewie had some great bits (the nurse telling him he'd been a brave little soldier, essentially...) Loved Kylo's temper tantrums, and the Stormtroopers backing away sheepishly (he's off on one again...) Too many good bits to list them all.
I mentioned in the other thread I had some niggles, so may as well share them here.
Finn gave up on Po a little easily. He himself had been thrown clear of the crash, so why only look for Po near the vehicle? The moment the Tie-fighter sank, he's like - "Ah well, fuckit - must be dead. Outta here!" and potentially left him lying dying in the desert.
I'd have liked a little more explanation about Han and Chewie turned up quite so quickly - the Falcon had been on the planet for years, yet within seconds of it being stolen and reaching space they turn up and grab it back. Han mentions the string of owners it's had, so he's clearly been tracking it, but just one line of dialogue that said "and we're here now because..." might have smoothed this over a tad for me.
The big dangerous critters that Han was trafficking - the only bit of CGI that really stood out - possibly because the critters themselves didn't look very Star Wars (SW creatures tend to be big lumpy things like the chap that Finn had a drink with - these were all whirling tentacles (although they needed them for Finn's rescue, I guess).
Maybe extending the journey to find Luke a tad would be good. They spend the whole film finding the map of him hidden so stupidly well that noone has been able to find him in decades, and then just pop there like they're nipping down the shops. Yes, technically speaking one jump should get them there, but perhaps stopping off at a planet or two along the way so that local aliens could point them in the right direction might make it look more like a fitting final quest.
And the scenery where Luke was just looked a little too much like it came out of Springwatch, and not as Star-Warsy as it could've. I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd found Chris Packham looking at some puffins at the top instead of Luke. It's a lovely bit of scenery admittedly, but I reckon I've seen it quite a few times already on BBC4 history documentaries, Coast, and Spring/Autumnwatch (probably not an issue if you live in the States though I guess).
There may be one or two others I've forgotten, but even then these are all so trivial that they can be pretty much ignored.
One final thing - I would dearly love it if when we get to see the massive hologrammed Supreme Dark Leader in person (I forget his real title) he turns out to be about six inches tall.
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I should reiterate that I absolutely LOVED the film and any comments I make in this thread that may sound negative are minor quibbles.
So perhaps the question isn't why he gave up so quick, but how could he be nowhere near the jacket?!
I guess they are using the jacket as the give up quick here. How could he not be close when he was wearing the jacket and strapped into a chair.Mark wrote: Finn gave up on Po a little easily. He himself had been thrown clear of the crash, so why only look for Po near the vehicle? The moment the Tie-fighter sank, he's like - "Ah well, fuckit - must be dead. Outta here!" and potentially left him lying dying in the desert.
So perhaps the question isn't why he gave up so quick, but how could he be nowhere near the jacket?!
Yes, space is big and to luckily bump into your lost ship is just a bit unlikely.I'd have liked a little more explanation about Han and Chewie turned up quite so quickly -
Probably could have lost this whole scene?The big dangerous critters that Han was trafficking - the only bit of CGI that really stood out - possibly because the critters themselves didn't look very Star Wars (SW creatures tend to be big lumpy things like the chap that Finn had a drink with - these were all whirling tentacles (although they needed them for Finn's rescue, I guess).
This was a bit, we need to end this quick, and really didn't like how they jumped in and were there seemingly a few minutes later after all the fuss. Saying that, my bladder was killing me at this point and I was hoping they'd run up the damn hill at the end.Maybe extending the journey to find Luke a tad would be good.
That would be great! Snoke was a little too golem for my liking and did he really need to be so big?One final thing - I would dearly love it if when we get to see the massive hologrammed Supreme Dark Leader in person (I forget his real title) he turns out to be about six inches tall.
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So I take it most people think Rey is Luke's daughter? Because...
-The force is strong in this one.
-Luke's saber called to her.
-Luke's theme played under her fight with Ren (so I'm told)
If so he's a bit of a git dumping his daughter in the same way he hated to be dumped!
-The force is strong in this one.
-Luke's saber called to her.
-Luke's theme played under her fight with Ren (so I'm told)
If so he's a bit of a git dumping his daughter in the same way he hated to be dumped!
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Rey is quite handy isn't she. ironic that the guy who destroyed Luke's Jedi training school got owned by someone with no training.
Kylo would never have got off the Star Killer in time, would he.
Kylo would never have got off the Star Killer in time, would he.
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Snoke is totally playing Kylo Ren. In the 'Visual Dictionary' it states he views Ren as the living embodiment of the force, being balanced between dark and light. Ren is basically not hell bent on evil, however he's obsessive over his grandfather and wants to have an ordered universe, sees it as a higher calling. As such he's trying to get rid of the light in himself but he can't. Hence he's such a nutbag.
It's a great alternative to people just being properly evil like Sheevie P, or 'turning' on a sixpence like Vader. Most jedi struggle to remain in the light, most sith are consumed by the dark side.... Ren wants to be one, but is the other, and not the way round things have been.
Well played, Kasdan and Abrams.
It's a great alternative to people just being properly evil like Sheevie P, or 'turning' on a sixpence like Vader. Most jedi struggle to remain in the light, most sith are consumed by the dark side.... Ren wants to be one, but is the other, and not the way round things have been.
Well played, Kasdan and Abrams.
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Rey's father (probably) is a warrior knight type, who bloody nearly went dark. She had to figure shit out for herself in a tough environment. Ren's mother is a politician/princess/general and he had a fairly well-to-do upbringing by comparison, coddled in an academy, born of heroes to the New Republic. He's like a British ISIS recruit, she's like a Syrian one.PumaG wrote:Rey is quite handy isn't she. ironic that the guy who destroyed Luke's Jedi training school got owned by someone with no training.
Kylo would never have got off the Star Killer in time, would he.
So yeah, toe-to-toe, once she 'lets it in' she's going to be somewhat of a match for him.
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i think Rey & Kylo are siblings. I base it on Luke & Leia being so and that Kylo wasn't able to get the information out of her using the force (and she then was able to use the force?I dunno... I have to watch it again).
I have to say, the 'stopping the laser' was pretty cool, and when rey used the force on the stormtrooper both me and the lad cracked up '... and I'll leave my gun on the floor'.
Yes, I think I need to book another viewing... When do we think it'll come out on dvd (or 'blu-ray', whatever it is kids watch things on these days)?
I have to say, the 'stopping the laser' was pretty cool, and when rey used the force on the stormtrooper both me and the lad cracked up '... and I'll leave my gun on the floor'.
Yes, I think I need to book another viewing... When do we think it'll come out on dvd (or 'blu-ray', whatever it is kids watch things on these days)?
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Probably well publicised, but apparently that Stormtrooper is Daniel Craig:guythp wrote: I have to say, the 'stopping the laser' was pretty cool, and when rey used the force on the stormtrooper both me and the lad cracked up '... and I'll leave my gun on the floor'.
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/de ... s-revealed
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Just on way home from watching it and I thought it was bloody ace. Like big grin ace all the way through.
I went in totally spoiler free and couldn't have predicted most of the twists and sub story.
Rey is clearly Luke's daughter though
I went in totally spoiler free and couldn't have predicted most of the twists and sub story.
Rey is clearly Luke's daughter though
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100% the same for me. Big grin all the way through. Loved every minute of it. Can't wait to rewatch it. I found it genuinely exciting and massivly fun. When's the next one coming out?
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