Trump

[Portland]

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[Darkflame]

Trump twitter bot, with a algorithm trained on Trumps real output;

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... witter-bot

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https://twitter.com/DeepDrumpf

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Why, why, why ???

It’s all Bush’s fault

Washington is freaking out about Trump in a way they never did about Bush. Why? Because Bush was their moron, while Trump is his own moron. That's really what it comes down to.

And all of the Beltway's hooting and hollering about how "embarrassing" and "dangerous" Trump is will fall on deaf ears, because as gullible as Americans can be, they're smart enough to remember being told that it was OK to vote for George Bush, a man capable of losing at tic-tac-toe.

[Darkflame]

I don't think there's that much comparison in character really.
Bush said and did much I disagree with, but I never saw him make up the same number of easily disprovable lies. Nothing along the lines of "I saw thousands of Muslims celebrating during 9/11!" or "I don't know who this KKK guy is" anyway.

As for intelligence - I don't think I have seen much evidence that either of them is dumb in a absolute sense. Bush is labeled as dumb mostly due to his inelegant speech, and Trump mostly for his implausible plans. Is there evidence that speech patterns really reflects Bushs underlying intelligence? And does Trump really believe he can get Mexico to pay for his wall or is that just another lie to get support?

The Republicans certainly made the environment that has allowed Trump to succeed though, regardless of direct comparisons.

Some other views here;
http://www.quora.com/Was-George-W-Bush- ... trayed-him

[pogo]

Trump’s speech is that of a trained idiot. He has a number of points he knows – “make America great”, “build a wall” – which he slots into his speeches and debate appearances. But when questioned on them or any other policy point he is unable to answer, to explain his policies, or to debate the merit of them. When he strays from his prepared speech points he often just gets things wrong, even concerning things he should know better than anyone such as his own business.

He has a very different personality to Bush. A complete opposite in some ways. But on the evidence the Republicans are about to nominate another idiot.

More primaries tonight. Cruz is doing well so far, Rubio badly. Only five states, none of them worth very much, but if Cruz gets some momentum from this there are some much more significant states up for grabs in a week or so.

[k345y]

Trump’s speech is that of a trained idiot..

NO!


None of us knew that. Bit of a revelation there Pogo.

On the other hand, I'd say a trained specialist, he ain't an idiot. He's a clever cunt and as such very dangerous.

[pogo]

It’s things like this, not a debate but a calm interview.

“I don’t know anything about David Duke”. "I know nothing about David Duke”.
Heck, even us Brits know who David Duke is. As does Trump. Or at least he did in 2000.
“'The Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani. 'This is not company I wish to keep.”

But listen to the whole thing. He repeats himself in his first answer. He then repeats the points a third time in his second answer. He is barely coherent at other times. And is is pure drivel. No-one in the US has not heard of David Duke and the KKK. But someone has told Donald Trump to say “I don’t know anything about these groups”, so that’s what he says, rather than think about what is being asked and respond properly.

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He needs constant advice, the longer he goes without being told what to say the stupider he sounds.

In the debates there's a rule that during breaks the candidates are not allowed to talk to advisers. Trump has broke that rule every debate and it's now got to the point where his adviser is coming out onto the stage during the ad breaks. Fox took issue with that in Detroit but and tried to remove Trump's aid but the guy refused to leave.

So they said the others could break rules and talk to their advisers too.

I watched his speech at the Florida rally last night. I don't even know where to start, he's talking to a group of people cheering on any idiocy he comes out with. He was talking about threatening to tarrif the shit out of an air conditioner company for any goods they import if they move their factory to Mexico. And some more about his non small hands.

Amazing times.

[KlaxonCow]

Bush is labeled as dumb mostly due to his inelegant speech

The funny thing about Bush is that he was definitely not ever thus.

This video covers the stunningly radical difference between Bush when he was campaigning to be governor, ten years prior to becoming President, and what an unbelievably inelegant idiot he later was as Commander-in-chief:



Now, what exactly is wrong with him mentally can only be speculated at - the video title suggests Alzheimer's, but that's probably more motivated by the fact that it's now known that, in fact, Reagan was beginning to suffer from Alzheimer's in the latter years of his Presidency, so the temptation is to presume it's possibly the same thing again - but the comparison is so stark here, from a stunningly good and quick-witted and intelligent debate performer, who is genuinely impressive, to a mumbling idiot that can't speak coherent sentences at even a slow pace, then the evidence here does suggest he was suffering from some kind of serious mental degradation.

In the footage of him as governor, you can entirely see how he won elections and got himself into the position of being a candidate for President. Easily so. He was more impressive than any of the candidates we're seeing today, wasn't he? But, as President, you wondered, genuinely concerned, how he was even able to dress himself in the mornings.

The thing is, such deterioration could not be mere stupidity. It's an actual serious loss of his mental faculties, way beyond what you'd expect for a mere ten year difference. So though it's easy to laugh at the idiot, one actually has to consider that you might really be laughing at some kind of mental disease for there to be that much deterioration going on in such a short period.

That, indeed, he might well have been going senile at an early age or something.

(Another possibility is that he was known to have been an alcoholic for a period. So one wonders if, simply enough, the secret that was being kept is that he either fell off the wagon - and we're laughing at a drunk, basically - or that he did keep off the alcohol, as claimed, but the period where he was an alcoholic actually had a lasting deteriorating effect on his brain.)

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The thing is, such deterioration could not be mere stupidity. It's an actual serious loss of his mental faculties, way beyond what you'd expect for a mere ten year difference.

Piffle. I can make that transition in a couple of days. It just comes from being seriously preoccupied with something else.

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I think he just stopped using coke.

EDIT

I'm not buying the lazy stereotype that Bush was stupid to the point of suspected senility. Check out all of the 2004 presidential debates with Kerry, his 2001 and 2002 state of the union addresses (which I don't agree with but are well positioned and delivered) and this from recently:



He's 69, he's far from being in the same state as Reagan even 7 years after he left office.

[KlaxonCow]

Piffle. I can make that transition in a couple of days. It just comes from being seriously preoccupied with something else.

Temporarily, yes. Anyone can.

But being permanently preoccupied with something else, other than being the President, for 8 years running (and he's still exactly like this now, just more relaxed and happy, after the Presidency, as he has not recovered from his apparent "idiocy" since either)?

Come on. Don't make me deploy the "river in Egypt" joke about denial here.

That's two completely different people in the space of ten years in that video. That can't simply be brushed under the carpet without a damn good explanation, I feel.

[noodles]

I think he just stopped using coke.

Yeah it was well known he had his head well wedged into a salad bowl of coke for quite a few years.
You can't cheat nature indefinetely by taking chemicals which probably wear you out in unpredictable ways over time,
especially mixed with alcohol.