Trump

[PumaG]

much more complex than being stupid.

Yeah, voting "fuck those guys" without regard to the consequences is even more stupid.

you certainly have it in for the working classes those articles refer to, 'dumb Americans' is a very tired stereo type.
It's no longer acceptable to brand anyone who opposes mass immigration as 'Racist'. that's a relic of when the UK had Labour in power, but Ed Milliband admitted they got it wrong on immigration ""Let me be clear. It is not prejudiced to be concerned about immigration"


Ben Carson now supporting Trump and the BBC uncovering Muslim and Immigrant supporters of Trump (something he was ridiculed for claiming) throws a spanner further in the works

"I don't see that America anymore," says Mr Singh. "So when Trump says make America Great again, I fully agree with him,"
He says Trump has never opposed legal migration and has businesses all over the world, including India.
"I think he understands different cultures and different countries better than any other candidate in the race," says Mr Singh.

'Sajid Tarar, a Pakistani American, says he fully supports Trump's suggestions on finding a strong vetting mechanism for refugees coming from countries like Syria.'
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35758156

the above 2 immigrants supporting Trump are the same people the fear mongers claimed Trump would be kicking out

[tufty]

I think they were worried about him kicking more than 2 people out.

[(o)(o)]

Chomsky: 'the Republican organization... poses a threat of a novel and truly horrifying kind to the human species'

https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/2016-elec ... -disaster/

[Darkflame]

Ah, right, the existence of any example from said group supporting someone of course means that person cant possibly be raciest regardless of what they say or do.
Along the same lines of "well, we have some woman who don't want the right to vote, ergo no woman should have it"

'Sajid Tarar, a Pakistani American, says he fully supports Trump's suggestions on finding a strong vetting mechanism for refugees coming from countries like Syria.

Which shows his ignorance which might explain why he supports Trump - because there IS strong vetting process's.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... processed/

or


Anyone talking about "strong vetting process" either doesn't know what the existing process is, or simply doesn't want anyone else in and this is what they think is a politically correct way to say it.

Additionally; America has basically let in, relatively speaking, jack-shit - I think the number is still in the single digits.
And even if America let in all of the (gasp) 10,000 Syria refugee they plan too, it would have jack-shit impact on their country. Its a tiny,tiny amount in proportion to the country.

In other words; Its irrelevant for Americas lives. Its a invented issue used to fear monger people into voting a certain way.

[gumboot]

[PumaG]

Ah, right, the existence of any example from said group supporting someone of course means that person cant possibly be raciest regardless of what they say or do.
Along the same lines of "well, we have some woman who don't want the right to vote, ergo no woman should have it"

'Sajid Tarar, a Pakistani American, says he fully supports Trump's suggestions on finding a strong vetting mechanism for refugees coming from countries like Syria.

Which shows his ignorance which might explain why he supports Trump - because there IS strong vetting process's.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... processed/

or


Anyone talking about "strong vetting process" either doesn't know what the existing process is, or simply doesn't want anyone else in and this is what they think is a politically correct way to say it.

Additionally; America has basically let in, relatively speaking, jack-shit - I think the number is still in the single digits.
And even if America let in all of the (gasp) 10,000 Syria refugee they plan too, it would have jack-shit impact on their country. Its a tiny,tiny amount in proportion to the country.

In other words; Its irrelevant for Americas lives. Its a invented issue used to fear monger people into voting a certain way.

My next point and the point I made about the existing Mexican wall, is that current politicians must also be 'Racist'. As you say, America already has laws on 'illegals' and extremists, the way people are behaving you'd have thought he was behind those existing laws. . I understand there's a county also voted not to take in any more Syrians.

It's complex and can't be written off by claiming working classes are 'stupid' or accusing concerned people of being 'Racist' that's what Gordon Brown tried and it didn't go down well at all.

[PumaG]

12 'Black Lives Matter' protestors arrested for bringing airport traffic to standstill

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/12/2 ... -hundreds/

Cop tells drivers to run over 'Black Lives Matter' protestors

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... protesters




Black Lives Matter protesters disrupt Denver Martin Luther King events

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29399 ... vil-rights

'As thousands assembled for the closing ceremony, four American Indians in traditional dress moved to a loud, steady drumbeat in front of the amphitheater. Representatives from Black Lives Matter already were on the amphitheater's steps and standing in front of a microphone.'


'Videos of deadly encounters between black men and police officers have fueled calls for reform.

In much the same way, reports of racial slurs at Trump rallies make it difficult to deny the problem of racism in America.


“It’s terrible, but I don’t think it’s anything different than what’s been happening in this country for a long time. This hatred has been normal for a while, it’s just been in the shadows,” Alicia Garza, one of the co-founders of #BlackLivesMatter, an organization that shares a name with the movement it helps support, said in an interview.

The challenge, for the movement, is to stem the tide of violence against black men and women while working to fix what activists believe is a fragmented and broken society.

[PumaG]

Trump rally called off following violent clashes

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35791008

'The two sides have one thing in common: rage.
Many Trump supporters are disillusioned and disenfranchised by a political establishment they feel does not represent them. The protesters in turn perceive the tone and rhetoric of Mr Trump's campaign as racist and divisive.

Will it harm the billionaire's election prospects? He may come across as the candidate who was denied the right to speak at his own political event.'

[gravy]

The protesters in turn perceive the tone and rhetoric of Mr Trump's campaign as racist and divisive.

That's because it is.

[Loada]

Stephen Fry's musings on the man:

http://www.stephenfry.com/2016/03/trump ... rsoverall/

[PumaG]

The protesters in turn perceive the tone and rhetoric of Mr Trump's campaign as racist and divisive.

That's because it is.

If he tones it down and tries to motivate his audience in a different way, there still remains those existing 'divisive and racist' laws on immigration. Trump has been a gift to protesters, as he's held himself up as a target for other angry and 'stupid' Americans.

I don't think the Obama family handing out bread to poor Black people each thanksgiving is going to solve an awful lot of the problems raised either.
Trump's rhetoric and tone will surface again at some point down the line and probably in the hands of someone more capable. Shouting and pointing 'Racist' at the Trump campaign has and will not solve anything, at best it brushes a lot of issues under the carpet.
Shooting every scumbag, 'thick as shit', redneck who wants to punch a BLM protester trying to stop Trump speaking, won't make it go away either, There is no multicultural paradise at the end of Trump's final defeat.

[PumaG]

Stephen Fry's musings on the man:

http://www.stephenfry.com/2016/03/trump ... rsoverall/

Interesting read.

'Not because of his disgusting Mexican walls, but because of his disgusting marbled walls. Not because of his unacceptably vulgar and contemptuous speeches, but because of his unacceptably vulgar and contemptuous buildings.

No mention of the disgusting people who erected the current Mexican walls or the vulgar display of wealth and power in historical buildings around the world, in particular the main tourist attractions in every major european cities.

[gravy]

The protesters in turn perceive the tone and rhetoric of Mr Trump's campaign as racist and divisive.

That's because it is.

If he tones it down and tries to motivate his audience in a different way, there still remains those existing 'divisive and racist' laws on immigration. Trump has been a gift to protesters, as he's held himself up as a target for other angry and 'stupid' Americans.

I don't think the Obama family handing out bread to poor Black people each thanksgiving is going to solve an awful lot of the problems raised either.
Trump's rhetoric and tone will surface again at some point down the line and probably in the hands of someone more capable. Shouting and pointing 'Racist' at the Trump campaign has and will not solve anything, at best it brushes a lot of issues under the carpet.
Shooting every scumbag, 'thick as shit', redneck who wants to punch a BLM protester trying to stop Trump speaking, won't make it go away either, There is no multicultural paradise at the end of Trump's final defeat.

What on earth does that have to do with Trump's campaign tone being racist and divisive?

Can you explain a what an appropriate reaction to inciting racism is?

It's a hard question for sure but what I am pretty certain of is ignoring it is probably the worst response.

EDIT: just so we don't go off on a tangent here I haven't called Trump supporters thick as shit. I do think Trump is though.

[(o)(o)]

Adam Grant, Professor and author of 'How Non-Conformists Move the World'

'He argues that a rebellious streak is also one of the reasons why Donald Trump is doing so well in the race to be the Republican candidate for US president'

“He is a non-conformist, relatively to how the American political system has traditionally operated. He takes a lot of pride in not being politically correct. However, some of his policies are highly conformist. There is research coming out that the people most motivated to vote for Donald Trump are authoritarians.”

'An undecided voter, Grant refuses to dismiss a Trump presidency as the disaster imagined by America’s liberal elite.'

I've read a few of your comments and tbh I haven't god a clue what your point is. Have you somehow convinced yourself Trump as president would NOT be a disaster??

"Stupid" is of course a pejorative term in the colloqueal sense. All people are human beings and their behaviour is a product of their physical makeup and environment and experiences so the use of the pejorative term is really a sign of frustration with an individuals behaviour. "Stupid" equally refers to dulling of faculties, morals and just generally being in a stupor.. so yeah, someone who votes for Trump does fit the descriptors and can accurately be described as "stupid".

stupid, a. and n.

(ˈstjuːpɪd)

[ad. L. stupid-us, f. stup-ēre to be stunned or benumbed. Cf. F. stupide (Rabelais), Sp., Pg. estúpido, It. stupido.]

A.A adj.

1.A.1 Having one's faculties deadened or dulled; in a state of stupor, stupefied, stunned; esp. hyperbolically, stunned with surprise, grief, etc. Obs. exc. arch. (poet.)
   Very common in Dryden.

†b.A.1.b Belonging to or characterized by stupor or insensibility. Obs.

†c.A.1.c Of a part of the body: Paralysed. Obs.

d.A.1.d Path. ? Obs.

†e.A.1.e Emotionally or morally dull or insensible; apathetic, indifferent. Const. to [cf. F. stupide à].

†2.A.2 As the characteristic of inanimate things: Destitute of sensation, consciousness, thought, or feeling. Obs.

3.A.3 Wanting in or slow of mental perception; lacking ordinary activity of mind; slow-witted, dull.

b.A.3.b Of attributes, actions, ideas, etc.: Characterized by or indicating stupidity or dullness of comprehension.

†c.A.3.c Of the lower animals: Irrational. Also of an individual animal, its propensities, etc.: Lacking intelligence or animation, senseless, dull. Obs.

4.A.4 Void of interest, tiresome, boring, dull.

5.A.5 Obstinate, stubborn. north. dial.

6.A.6 Comb., as stupid-looking adj.; adverbial with another adj., as stupid-honest, stupid-sure (nonce-wds.); stupid-head, a blockhead.

B.B n. A stupid person. colloq.

[PumaG]

Adam Grant, Professor and author of 'How Non-Conformists Move the World'

'He argues that a rebellious streak is also one of the reasons why Donald Trump is doing so well in the race to be the Republican candidate for US president'

“He is a non-conformist, relatively to how the American political system has traditionally operated. He takes a lot of pride in not being politically correct. However, some of his policies are highly conformist. There is research coming out that the people most motivated to vote for Donald Trump are authoritarians.”

'An undecided voter, Grant refuses to dismiss a Trump presidency as the disaster imagined by America’s liberal elite.'

I've read a few of your comments and tbh I haven't god a clue what your point is. Have you somehow convinced yourself Trump as president would NOT be a disaster??

"Stupid" is of course a pejorative term in the colloqueal sense. All people are human beings and their behaviour is a product of their physical makeup and environment and experiences so the use of the pejorative term is really a sign of frustration with an individuals behaviour. "Stupid" equally refers to dulling of faculties, morals and just generally being in a stupor.. so yeah, someone who votes for Trump does fit the descriptors and can accurately be described as "stupid".

stupid, a. and n.

(ˈstjuːpɪd)

[ad. L. stupid-us, f. stup-ēre to be stunned or benumbed. Cf. F. stupide (Rabelais), Sp., Pg. estúpido, It. stupido.]

A.A adj.

1.A.1 Having one's faculties deadened or dulled; in a state of stupor, stupefied, stunned; esp. hyperbolically, stunned with surprise, grief, etc. Obs. exc. arch. (poet.)
   Very common in Dryden.

†b.A.1.b Belonging to or characterized by stupor or insensibility. Obs.

†c.A.1.c Of a part of the body: Paralysed. Obs.

d.A.1.d Path. ? Obs.

†e.A.1.e Emotionally or morally dull or insensible; apathetic, indifferent. Const. to [cf. F. stupide à].

†2.A.2 As the characteristic of inanimate things: Destitute of sensation, consciousness, thought, or feeling. Obs.

3.A.3 Wanting in or slow of mental perception; lacking ordinary activity of mind; slow-witted, dull.

b.A.3.b Of attributes, actions, ideas, etc.: Characterized by or indicating stupidity or dullness of comprehension.

†c.A.3.c Of the lower animals: Irrational. Also of an individual animal, its propensities, etc.: Lacking intelligence or animation, senseless, dull. Obs.

4.A.4 Void of interest, tiresome, boring, dull.

5.A.5 Obstinate, stubborn. north. dial.

6.A.6 Comb., as stupid-looking adj.; adverbial with another adj., as stupid-honest, stupid-sure (nonce-wds.); stupid-head, a blockhead.

B.B n. A stupid person. colloq.

WTF ?

How does one go about convincing ones self? And how have you come to the conclusion that I could predict either way how a Trump presidency would turn out? I don't have a crystal ball FFS. Ive posted differing views, one from a professor with research, that appears to have ruffled your feathers .

If I had to stick my neck out, I'd say none of the candidates will have any significant impact. Obama certainly didn't and he drew out more Black voters than ever before. I pointed out early on the same things were said about Reagan.
You've had enough "clues" FFS, yet you're presenting to me the definition of stupid.

Look at my example in the next post of this years Swiss referendum and the distasteful opposition, for extra "clues".
Perhaps it was better for you when this thread was just about parodying Trump?