Trump

[PumaG]

The protesters in turn perceive the tone and rhetoric of Mr Trump's campaign as racist and divisive.

That's because it is.

If he tones it down and tries to motivate his audience in a different way, there still remains those existing 'divisive and racist' laws on immigration. Trump has been a gift to protesters, as he's held himself up as a target for other angry and 'stupid' Americans.

I don't think the Obama family handing out bread to poor Black people each thanksgiving is going to solve an awful lot of the problems raised either.
Trump's rhetoric and tone will surface again at some point down the line and probably in the hands of someone more capable. Shouting and pointing 'Racist' at the Trump campaign has and will not solve anything, at best it brushes a lot of issues under the carpet.
Shooting every scumbag, 'thick as shit', redneck who wants to punch a BLM protester trying to stop Trump speaking, won't make it go away either, There is no multicultural paradise at the end of Trump's final defeat.

What on earth does that have to do with Trump's campaign tone being racist and divisive?

Can you explain a what an appropriate reaction to inciting racism is?

It's a hard question for sure but what I am pretty certain of is ignoring it is probably the worst response.

EDIT: just so we don't go off on a tangent here I haven't called Trump supporters thick as shit. I do think Trump is though.

I don't happen to agree that Trump's proposed policies are racist and appropriate reaction to politics would be to find the truth not scream racist. Some of his policies are a take on what already exists, how loud did you scream racist back then? I don't even like the man or his style, but that doesn't stop me finding the extremists against him to the self satisfying bandwagon jumpers obnoxious.

For example the recent Swiss referendum, went 1,375,058 for and 1,966,976 against kicking out guests to their country for committing crime.

The extreme against campaigns used Swas-Stickers and White Sheep/Black Sheep posters.
Perhaps you find that pleasant and agreeable "tone" , but I don't. Nor do believe for one fucking minute that 1,375,058 Swiss people are 'Stupid' or 'Racist' . I've spent a considerable amount of time in Switzerland, much of it doing business and the only negative remark I heard about foreigners was against German economic Migrants and being told by Serbians that I could trust them more when doing business. Switzerland is a low crime country with a disproportionate amount of foreigners in jail. Not that bothers me, but what's the point of migrating to end up in jail? Isn't it true that Mexico's economy has improved whilst the USA's has worsened? One of Trump's gripes was that Mexico had encouraged illegal migration. To you 'Racist Rhetoric' to me he's either a liar or not, why scream racist before finding out the truth?

I doubt many people getting ready to go on the attack against me have bothered looking it up, but the Swiss referendum is related to one of Trump's proposed policies and like the Swiss result, I doubt it would ever happen. Trump as president wouldn't get that through on his own, but Im supposed to fear that he would. What I would object to is a Swas-sticka campaign to aid referendums (yes already happens at every trump rally)

[PumaG]

did anyone here accuse the city of Verona of being racist?

[PumaG]

I think they were worried about him kicking more than 2 people out.

Yes, Piers Morgan got his nickers in a twist on national TV, that 4 million non illegals would be deported if Trump won presidency .

Im feeling like Im in the wrong for not being worried and scared.

[pogo]

Trump’s policies are racist. Yes, they are a take on what was already Republican policy. All he’s done is taken the racist hints and dog whistles offered by the Republican party before and made them explicit. Mexicans are racists. Chinese are crooks. Islam hates us. His conduct at his rallies, condoning racism by his supporters. Failing to disown the KKK.

It’s not just the odd policy either, it’s his entire platform, his entire appeal. Not all of his supporters are racist, no. But they are being told by Trump that their problems of stagnant and declining pay, unaffordable healthcare and education, dangerous streets, are all due to non-white foreigners and Americans. No wonder they end up like a racist mob at his rallies.

[merman]

Plus he refuses to condemn the Klu Klax Klan or his own supporters and security attacking black protestors.

[gravy]

The protesters in turn perceive the tone and rhetoric of Mr Trump's campaign as racist and divisive.

That's because it is.

If he tones it down and tries to motivate his audience in a different way, there still remains those existing 'divisive and racist' laws on immigration. Trump has been a gift to protesters, as he's held himself up as a target for other angry and 'stupid' Americans.

I don't think the Obama family handing out bread to poor Black people each thanksgiving is going to solve an awful lot of the problems raised either.
Trump's rhetoric and tone will surface again at some point down the line and probably in the hands of someone more capable. Shouting and pointing 'Racist' at the Trump campaign has and will not solve anything, at best it brushes a lot of issues under the carpet.
Shooting every scumbag, 'thick as shit', redneck who wants to punch a BLM protester trying to stop Trump speaking, won't make it go away either, There is no multicultural paradise at the end of Trump's final defeat.

What on earth does that have to do with Trump's campaign tone being racist and divisive?

Can you explain a what an appropriate reaction to inciting racism is?

It's a hard question for sure but what I am pretty certain of is ignoring it is probably the worst response.

EDIT: just so we don't go off on a tangent here I haven't called Trump supporters thick as shit. I do think Trump is though.

I don't happen to agree that Trump's proposed policies are racist and appropriate reaction to politics would be to find the truth not scream racist. Some of his policies are a take on what already exists, how loud did you scream racist back then? I don't even like the man or his style, but that doesn't stop me finding the extremists against him to the self satisfying bandwagon jumpers obnoxious.

For example the recent Swiss referendum, went 1,375,058 for and 1,966,976 against kicking out guests to their country for committing crime.

The extreme against campaigns used Swas-Stickers and White Sheep/Black Sheep posters.
Perhaps you find that pleasant and agreeable "tone" , but I don't. Nor do believe for one fucking minute that 1,375,058 Swiss people are 'Stupid' or 'Racist' . I've spent a considerable amount of time in Switzerland, much of it doing business and the only negative remark I heard about foreigners was against German economic Migrants and being told by Serbians that I could trust them more when doing business. Switzerland is a low crime country with a disproportionate amount of foreigners in jail. Not that bothers me, but what's the point of migrating to end up in jail? Isn't it true that Mexico's economy has improved whilst the USA's has worsened? One of Trump's gripes was that Mexico had encouraged illegal migration. To you 'Racist Rhetoric' to me he's either a liar or not, why scream racist before finding out the truth?

I doubt many people getting ready to go on the attack against me have bothered looking it up, but the Swiss referendum is related to one of Trump's proposed policies and like the Swiss result, I doubt it would ever happen. Trump as president wouldn't get that through on his own, but Im supposed to fear that he would. What I would object to is a Swas-sticka campaign to aid referendums (yes already happens at every trump rally)

What has Switzerland got to do with it, where he gets his odious ideas from our whatever anyone else is doing?

And what has the volume of someone's speech (They're screaming!!!) got to do with the content of what they're saying?

You using the same judgement criteria for the bellowing walrus that is Trump?

Labelling the policy of building a wall between the US and Mexico to to keep out rapists as racist is fair. As is his stance on Islam (the majority hate America!!!).

It doesn't mean that all the people supporting Trump are racist but he's got a fucking big grab bag of nonsense that racists like.

The insidious thing is if it isn't called out for what it is and even worse mislabelling it then that legitimises racism.

I'm not saying that there aren't problems to be solved but his solutions are idiotic.

People are being really clear about their positions here except for you so here's some straight questions about Trump's policies.

Do you think he would be a good President if elected?
Do you think that there should be a wall built between Mexico and the US with a beautiful big fat door ("you're gonna love it")
Do you think that the majority of the Muslim world hate America?
Do you think the US are hamstring by human rights laws?
Do you think it's a good idea to change the US law to make torture legal?
Do you think he should deport 11m immigrants?
Do you think he has small hands and in turn a very small penis?

[zip accident]

Do you think he would be a good President if elected?
Do you think that there should be a wall built between Mexico and the US with a beautiful big fat door ("you're gonna love it")
Do you think that the majority of the Muslim world hate America?
Do you think the US are hamstring by human rights laws?
Do you think it's a good idea to change the US law to make torture legal?
Do you think he should deport 11m immigrants?
Do you think he has small hands and in turn a very small penis?

Ooh, poll please!



1/ No.
2/ That'd be a big money maker for someone.
3/ Yes.
4/ The FBI and CIA would say yes.
5/ With the right limitations it might be a lot better than it being theoretically illegal but done massively anyway.
6/ Only if it can be done without being racist.
7/ Probably.

[pogo]

Do you think he would be a good President if elected?
Do you think that there should be a wall built between Mexico and the US with a beautiful big fat door ("you're gonna love it")
Do you think that the majority of the Muslim world hate America?
Do you think the US are hamstring by human rights laws?
Do you think it's a good idea to change the US law to make torture legal?
Do you think he should deport 11m immigrants?
Do you think he has small hands and in turn a very small penis?

Does not really capture the lunacy of his policies and platforms though. E.g. there’s nothing to stop the US building a wall. They’ve made a start on one already. But it’s the getting Mexico to pay (at the same time as insulting them) that’s beyond belief.

"the majority of the Muslim world hate America" ? No, he really did say “Islam hates us” which makes even less sense.

It’s not so much human rights laws as other constraints. The US constitution would stop him rounding up Muslims, or torturing people. The scale of the problem would stop him deporting all illegal immigrants. Other countries will block his policies against them. It’s not that his policies are racist and abhorrent (though they are). They are not something he could even start implementing if elected.

Goodness what would happen if he were elected. He has a lot of very angry supporters, who will get even angrier when they realise he conned them with impossible promises.

[gumboot]

Plus he refuses to condemn the Klu Klax Klan or his own supporters and security attacking black protestors.

I think on that one he just doesn't ever want to refuse a vote even if it's an evil vote.

Winning is winning, after all.

[gumboot]

much more complex than being stupid.

Yeah, voting "fuck those guys" without regard to the consequences is even more stupid.

you certainly have it in for the working classes those articles refer to, 'dumb Americans' is a very tired stereo type.

You see, if I were to take the other line, that those poor working classes are racist and stupid merely as a product of their difficult circumstances and really we should try to respect their opinions as a product of that, then I would be talking like of the 'liberal elite' that they hate so much.

Can't really win either way.


"Working class" is not a defence for being a fucking moron. If your vote is motivated by distrust of the "political elite" and out of mere spite you go out and vote for one of those who own the political elite, and someone with a financial record and personality which clearly demonstrates their ineptitude and unsuitability for the role, then being working class makes you most particularly stupid.

At least if you're rich then you have the obvious rationale of voting for one of your own kind.

[gumboot]

Obama certainly didn't and he drew out more Black voters than ever before.

Data?

[PumaG]

Obama certainly didn't and he drew out more Black voters than ever before.

Data?

do your own Donkey work

[tufty]

Obama certainly didn't and he drew out more Black voters than ever before.

Data?

do your own Donkey work

Back up your own claims, or be considered a blowhard.

[PumaG]

Obama certainly didn't and he drew out more Black voters than ever before.

Data?

do your own Donkey work

Back up your own claims, or be considered a blowhard.

Stop insinuating that Ive collected data. Presumably Im in the same position as you, relying on written articles reading news sites or articles found via search engines, so whats stopping you posting an article that suggest less Black voters came out for Obama?

Like it or not, there are Americans disappointed with Obamas term.

[gumboot]

Obama certainly didn't and he drew out more Black voters than ever before.

Data?

do your own Donkey work

Yeah, well last time you said that I did do my own donkey work and it did not support your claim. I figure if you're going to assert it over and over then you must have some kind of basis for the claim. It seems redundant for me to spend time looking for something you already have access to.