Trump

[PumaG]

Obama certainly didn't and he drew out more Black voters than ever before.

Data?

do your own Donkey work

Yeah, well last time you said that I did do my own donkey work and it did not support your claim. I figure if you're going to assert it over and over then you must have some kind of basis for the claim. It seems redundant for me to spend time looking for something you already have access to.

I'll post my original source when I find it, it was a news article that stated a demograph of Black voters didn't / had never voted, until Obama ran. I don't see how that surprises anyone.



If you want data, then theres a book written by Democrat Steve Phillips "Brown is the New White"

' a detailed, data-driven illustration of the rapidly-increasing number of racial minorities in America, a bloc he argues is now the dominant force within the Democratic Party. The book is also a jeremiad against Democrats who pursue, often unsuccessfully, the votes of white swing voters and so-called Reagan Democrats, voters whom Phillips believes are largely unnecessary to victories for Democrats in the future'


I do wonder what will happen when whites become the minority and say Republicans base their campaigns purely on skin colour.

[PumaG]

Do you think he would be a good President if elected?

Define good? The last good one was Reagan who was also called an idiot. No I don't think he would come anywhere near, but neither did Bush and Obama has hardly improved the race issues that you would have us believe were somehow started by Trump.

Do you think that there should be a wall built between Mexico and the US with a beautiful big fat door ("you're gonna love it")

Are you purposely ignoring the wall already exists? and has been strengthened under Obama's watch

Do you think that the majority of the Muslim world hate America?

Having friends in Malaysia, thats laughable.

Do you think the US are hamstring by human rights laws?

Do you think it's a good idea to change the US law to make torture legal?

a bit late isn't it? Do you think those in charge of the US forces would be less corrupt otherwise?

Do you think he should deport 11m immigrants?

illegals are already illegal! deal with them according to the law if they've committed crimes. The same way I would be dealt with if I attempted to illegally extend my stay in a country requiring a visa.
1000s have died crossing the border and millions$ are made human trafficking. Do you think that is a pleasant business?

Do you think he has small hands and in turn a very small penis?

What size are his feet ? and his middle finger in relation to his other fingers? If his wife happens to find sex painful and is still up to doing him, Im sure she'll be glad of the result you are insinuating, but we know it was probably 9th on her list of reasons to marry him.

[pogo]

Define good? The last good one was Reagan who was also called an idiot. No I don't think he would come anywhere near, but neither did Bush and Obama has hardly improved the race issues that you would have us believe were somehow started by Trump.

Interesting you bring up Reagan, as Trump is clearly modelling himself on Reagan. A man with no political talent using his acting skills to sell himself to voters. Problem is Reagan was a much better actor than Trump ever will be. While Reagan was able to sell his right-wing policies to middle America, leaving an economic mess that took over a decade to recover from, Trump so far has only been able to persuade a minority of Republicans, a minority already receptive to his racist appeals.

[tufty]

I'll post my original source when I find it, it was a news article that stated a demograph of Black voters didn't / had never voted, until Obama ran. I don't see how that surprises anyone.

Given that you're a lazy cunt, it was probably something like this : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/us/po ... .html?_r=0

In last year’s presidential election, younger blacks voted in greater proportions than whites for the first time and black women turned out at a higher rate than any other racial, ethnic and gender group, a census analysis released Monday confirmed.

So, on the one hand, you claim Obama has had no significant impact, and on the other, you point out that he managed, one way or another, to convince at least some of the US's non-white population that voting was a worthwhile action, to the point that they became the majority voters in certain age groups.

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Do you think he would be a good President if elected?

Define good? The last good one was Reagan who was also called an idiot. No I don't think he would come anywhere near, but neither did Bush and Obama has hardly improved the race issues that you would have us believe were somehow started by Trump.

Do you think that there should be a wall built between Mexico and the US with a beautiful big fat door ("you're gonna love it")

Are you purposely ignoring the wall already exists? and has been strengthened under Obama's watch

Do you think that the majority of the Muslim world hate America?

Having friends in Malaysia, thats laughable.

Do you think the US are hamstring by human rights laws?

Do you think it's a good idea to change the US law to make torture legal?

a bit late isn't it? Do you think those in charge of the US forces would be less corrupt otherwise?

Do you think he should deport 11m immigrants?

illegals are already illegal! deal with them according to the law if they've committed crimes. The same way I would be dealt with if I attempted to illegally extend my stay in a country requiring a visa.
1000s have died crossing the border and millions$ are made human trafficking. Do you think that is a pleasant business?

Do you think he has small hands and in turn a very small penis?

What size are his feet ? and his middle finger in relation to his other fingers? If his wife happens to find sex painful and is still up to doing him, Im sure she'll be glad of the result you are insinuating, but we know it was probably 9th on her list of reasons to marry him.

Well let's sum up. It's clear you don't like answering straight questions but you're leaving a pretty decent bread crumb trail there.

This is what I'm getting, you think:

* Reagan was a great president
* 600 miles of fencing is pretty much the same as 2000 miles of Great Wall Of China scale walling
* Trump is wrong villifying Muslims as haters of the west.
* I can't parse what you're saying about legalising torture. "too late" kind of implies it shouldn't have been illegal to start with?
* Kick out all illegal immigrants

The last one is interesting, you make a great play of nuance not being applied to analysing Trump's appeal yet back crude sound bite agitprop that doesn't bear more than a few seconds thought.

Societal impact aside there'd be a crippling effect on Socal's economy. It would do no one any good and is a great example where statute has fallen behind how society is actually functioning.

Why would you demand intellectual rigour for assessing a man with a track record only consistent in his appalling behaviour while wanting to give no thought to a policy that would have seriously negative impact for millions of people?

You're not being clear so it's only fair to make some assumptions; I think you're a shy Trumpite. Deep down you know he's awful and are disgusted with yourself because you actually quite like where he's coming from.

I'm get that. I'm the same with The Big Bang Theory.


It wouldn't stop people attempting to cross the border, it'd increase attempts. There's tens of thousands of families where

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I'll post my original source when I find it, it was a news article that stated a demograph of Black voters didn't / had never voted, until Obama ran. I don't see how that surprises anyone.

Given that you're a lazy cunt, it was probably something like this : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/us/po ... .html?_r=0

In last year’s presidential election, younger blacks voted in greater proportions than whites for the first time and black women turned out at a higher rate than any other racial, ethnic and gender group, a census analysis released Monday confirmed.

So, on the one hand, you claim Obama has had no significant impact, and on the other, you point out that he managed, one way or another, to convince at least some of the US's non-white population that voting was a worthwhile action, to the point that they became the majority voters in certain age groups.

And also:

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/why-obam ... 50134.html

[PumaG]

I'll post my original source when I find it, it was a news article that stated a demograph of Black voters didn't / had never voted, until Obama ran. I don't see how that surprises anyone.

Given that you're a lazy cunt, it was probably something like this : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/us/po ... .html?_r=0

In last year’s presidential election, younger blacks voted in greater proportions than whites for the first time and black women turned out at a higher rate than any other racial, ethnic and gender group, a census analysis released Monday confirmed.

So, on the one hand, you claim Obama has had no significant impact, and on the other, you point out that he managed, one way or another, to convince at least some of the US's non-white population that voting was a worthwhile action, to the point that they became the majority voters in certain age groups.

And also:

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/why-obam ... 50134.html

I actually like Obama as a person from what Ive seen on TV and dislike Trump from what Ive seen on TV so don't feel good about yourself by rounding on me in that sense. I was never aware that non-white voters were a majority in the first place, only they that didn't used to vote in the same numbers until Obama ran and his approval rating hasn't always been great.

[PumaG]

* Reagan was a great president

Take that to another thread

* 600 miles of fencing is pretty much the same as 2000 miles of Great Wall Of China scale walling

impossible to implement and we both know that. Its fucking bullshit and you're worried?
Mexicans who squeeze through the vehicle 'fence' can die of de-hydration, the ones that don't are paying traffickers, which you're comfortable with. It's an awful business, that is now causing europe to go all 'Swas-stika' by closing routes and turning boats around. Is your placard ready?

* Trump is wrong villifying Muslims as haters of the west.

I guess it was just coincidence that he spoke like that only after bombings and the Cologne cover-up
do you think Islam compliments western values? perhaps you despise western values? Im very open to other values making there way in, but not fairy tales.

* I can't parse what you're saying about legalising torture. "too late" kind of implies it shouldn't have been illegal to start with?

ignoring the fact that I claimed the US forces are controlled by corrupt criminals, speaks volumes about your agenda and attack on me. Were any of the Muslims tortured at GB personal friends by chance? Surely addressing the criminals at the top would eliminate the torture that you're prioritising over tens of thousands of Muslim children being bombed.

* Kick out all illegal immigrants

Ive implied many times now that is impossible, so why are you running with it? I take it if it disgusts you, you're actively protesting the current laws making this migration illegal? you know, actually making a difference? and not just jumping on the 'hate the man with funny hair' and small penis bandwagon

Why would you demand intellectual rigour for assessing a man with a track record only consistent in his appalling behaviour while wanting to give no thought to a policy that would have seriously negative impact for millions of people?

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again, his policies arent workable so I'm not afraid. Future Republican candidates, however appalling, will be addressing white people as a minority, most likely leaving behind more Detroits, if we accept that, can we stop the waving of swas-stikas?
None of Trump's attackers can even begin to suggest how to sort out America's problems or explain how things will improve if you put a bullet in Trump's head..
Immigration from the middle east and africa will eventually have to be addressed by the democrats anyway whether you and current supporters want the borders erased, US has the land, but not the resources. Europe has learnt this way sooner than many expected and it is no longer acceptable to label concerned citizens as 'racist' You put half of Mexico and Africa in the USA and it won't only be 'thick as shit' whites complaining. The couple of immigrants supporting Trump have already been written off as not all there, but it gets interesting when a decent way of life of 2nd gen immigrants starts to get affected. There will be a class war.

[gumboot]

Trumpite.

I like to think the proper word is "trumper".

[Little stoned kiwi]

"Trumpeter" sounds better.

[gumboot]

"Trumpeter" sounds better.

But that's not British English for farter!

[gumboot]

or explain how things will improve if you put a bullet in Trump's head..

It worked for Reagan!

[pogo]

Obama on form laying into Trump and the Republican party. Shame he cannot run again.

He makes the point that America is in a pretty good place at the moment. Out of recession, millions more people with healthcare, not heavily involved in foreign wars with the reason for fighting them Osama bin Laden dead.

And it highlights that although there are many parallels between Trump and Hitler there is one significant difference. Hitler rose to power when Germany was in dire straights, with the Great Depression, flawed economic policies of the time such as the gold standard, and with crushing reparations from the Great War. No wonder they elected a populist demagogue.

But America now is nothing like that. And so Trump’s support is very small, less than half of politically active Republicans, appealing to whites who feel they have been left behind by social and economic change. And even of them there must be many put off by his overtly racist policies, and not a few who realise what he’s selling is a worthless crock of shit.

I mean there is a real problem in America of stagnant middle class wages, has been for decades. But the solution is not bashing people with dark skins and tax cuts for the rich. The solution involves more redistribution of wealth, including a properly funded universal healthcare system. Bernie Sanders’s policies, essentially. Shame he is almost as unelectable as Trump.

[PumaG]

Why are Americans so angry http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35406324

'When asked if they trust the government, 89% of Republicans and 72% of Democrats say "only sometimes" or "never", according to Pew Research. Six out of 10 Americans think the government has too much power'

'William Galston thinks part of the appeal of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders is down to frustration with what some see as a failing system.

'For a country that is used to being on top of the world, the last 15 years haven't been great in terms of foreign policy. There's a feeling of having been at war since 9/11 that's never really gone away, a sense America doesn't know what it wants and that things aren't going our way," says Roberto Suro.

'Americans are also more afraid of the prospect of terrorist attacks than at any time since 9/11, according to a New York Times/CBS poll. The American reaction to the San Bernardino shooting was different to the French reaction to the Paris attacks, says Galston. "Whereas the French rallied around the government, Americans rallied against it.

'Democrats and Republicans have become more ideologically polarised than ever. The typical (median), Republican is now more conservative in his or her core social, economic and political views than 94% of Democrats, compared with 70% in 1994, according to Pew Research. The median Democrat, meanwhile, is more liberal than 92% of Republicans, up from 64%.
The study also found that the share of Americans with a highly negative view of the opposing party has doubled, and that the animosity is so deep, many would be unhappy if a close relative married someone of a different political persuasion.

'Ted Cruz, who won the Republican caucuses in Iowa, is also running as an anti-establishment candidate. "Tonight is a victory for every American who's watched in dismay as career politicians in Washington in both parties refuse to listen and too often fail to keep their commitments to the people


'Forty years ago, 84% of the American population was made up of non-Hispanic white people - by last year the figure was 62%, according to Pew Research. It projects this trend will continue, and by 2055 non-Hispanic white people will make up less than half the population. Pew expects them to account for only 46% of the population by 2065. '
Some older, whiter voters do not recognise the country they grew up in. There is a sense of alien tribes," says Paul Taylor, author of The Next America.

[Darkflame]

Six out of 10 Americans think the government has too much power'

So lets hand it to the man that wants to remove the press's right to criticize him.
The man who wants the government to put cameras in all the religious buildings of a specific religion,
The man that wants to kill relatives of terrorists.
And the man that wants to increase torture use.

Americans have plenty of reasons to be displeased with congress etc. But the idea that a guy like Trump wants less power?
THATs insane.

(also - it doesn't matter if he cant get his way on all the things he says, that he wants too is bad enough - it means he wants more power then a president has, in some cases wanting to break international laws)

I guess it was just coincidence that he spoke like that only after bombings and the Cologne cover-up
do you think Islam compliments western values? perhaps you despise western values? Im very open to other values making there way in, but not fairy tales.

a) He speaks like that all the time.
b) Its a fairy tale that Muslims are any more dangerous then anyone else. Those "values" we could do without.