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PumaG wrote:'Americans are also more afraid of the prospect of terrorist attacks than at any time since 9/11, according to a New York Times/CBS poll. The American reaction to the San Bernardino shooting was different to the French reaction to the Paris attacks, says Galston. "Whereas the French rallied around the government, Americans rallied against it.
That makes no sense. The US does not have a major terrorism problem. It is too far and too secure, at least since 9/11. In particular the San Bernardino shooting. Although the government likes to describe is as terrorism it has more in common with other mass shootings, with mentally unstable civil servants shooting up their workmates.

It could not happen here as people don’t have access to guns of any kind, never mind the military weapons preferred by mass shooters. The US has a serious gun control problem, and San Bernardino was in many ways a typical example. But rather than address that Republicans prefers to focus on an almost non-existant terrorist threat. You are probably more likely to be hit by lightning or mauled by a bear than killed by Islamic terrorists in the US.
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Relevant:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... errorism-/

Essentially about 71 people killed in the US in the last decade due to terrorism, less then half that if you only looking at Jihadists.
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BTW, related to the point I made earlier when I posted that video, here’s something I broadly agree with:

Democrats' best choice for 2016 is the guy already in the White House

The reason he can’t run again is the 22nd Amendment, but that is a relatively recent amendment, introduced in 1951 because of FDR, who had a third term during WW II. FDR was one of America’s greatest leaders, but a Democrat and Republicans hated him getting a third term so much they amended the constitution to stop it happening again. But that was the wrong thing to do then and it’s the wrong thing for the US now. Clinton is the best of a bad bunch but is very average as a candidate. We manage without term limits here, as do many mature democracies. Probably a fantasy and no help for this election cycle but the best thing to do with the 22nd Amendment would be repeal it.
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arg, heck no.
I wish everywhere had term limits. Its one thing the US has got right, regardless of origins.
I got nothing against Obama, but a term limit stops accumulation of power over extended duration's. Its a safety cap.
Also ensures the public actively have to pick someone, not passively accept a increasingly out of touch status quo (like it seems congress is).

America already has a centralization problem with its power base too - take a look at the extreme gerrymandering going on, or how hard it is to even get on the voting ballet for independents.
Those in power are already doing all they can to suppress any challengers.
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Darkflame wrote:Relevant:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... errorism-/

Essentially about 71 people killed in the US in the last decade due to terrorism, less then half that if you only looking at Jihadists.
It would still come out that non-terrorist gun deaths were massively more if you did count further back and allow 11.9.2001.
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Darkflame wrote:arg, heck no.
I wish everywhere had term limits. Its one thing the US has got right, regardless of origins.
We and many other places manage without. And the US is much better suited to not having term limits, as with all the checks and balances it would be very hard for anyone to exploit things and install themselves permanently. They managed without term limits for most of their history. The one president that had more than two terms, FDR, was able to do so as he was so good and popular. He is rightly remembered as one of the greatest American presidents.
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PumaG wrote:Blah...
Well we agree he's promulgating policies that are idiotic and that are practically impossible.

We don't seem to agree that someone who spouts nonsense of that ilk and has terrible ideas being the most powerful man on planet isn't a cause for concern.

For some reason you don't really want any mention on Trump's behaviour in a thread about Trump and again, that's something we don't agree on.

Anyways, he's currently making an ultra dick of himself in Illinois as I type. Some footage on YT:



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In response to gravy's questions..


Do you think he would be a good President if elected?
No. He'll mismanage the economy as badly as his businesses and his foreign policy will be a disaster.

Do you think that there should be a wall built between Mexico and the US with a beautiful big fat door ("you're gonna love it")
I can see Congress and the courts tying any such project up for years, long enough for Trump to be out of office.

Do you think that the majority of the Muslim world hate America?
No. It satisfies Trump to portray all Muslims as extreme, when the reality is that the haters are in the minority.

Do you think the US are hamstring by human rights laws?
No. They need more.

Do you think it's a good idea to change the US law to make torture legal?
Absolutely not, never, in any shape or form. Torture achieves nothing.

Do you think he should deport 11m immigrants?
No. He'll need immigrants to provide cheap labour - much as he already uses cheap Mexican labour to produce goods bearing the Trump brands.

Do you think he has small hands and in turn a very small penis?
Goes with the tiny brain as a package deal
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FX23- master ov questions wrote:
Fuck me, what next? Alex Jones? :D

Anyways.

This is a good watch

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pogo wrote:The reason he can’t run again is the 22nd Amendment, but that is a relatively recent amendment, introduced in 1951 because of FDR, who had a third term during WW II. FDR was one of America’s greatest leaders, but a Democrat and Republicans hated him getting a third term so much they amended the constitution to stop it happening again. But that was the wrong thing to do then and it’s the wrong thing for the US now. Clinton is the best of a bad bunch but is very average as a candidate. We manage without term limits here, as do many mature democracies. Probably a fantasy and no help for this election cycle but the best thing to do with the 22nd Amendment would be repeal it.
Darkflame wrote:arg, heck no.
I wish everywhere had term limits. Its one thing the US has got right, regardless of origins.
I got nothing against Obama, but a term limit stops accumulation of power over extended duration's. Its a safety cap.
Right on Darkflame.

Two seems to be about the limit, there are hundreds (might be a slight exaggeration, I haven't counted, but I'd guess 50 is a low estimate) of current life presidencies/monarchies that started out with "just one more term".

For the USA three might be survivable, but as an example it would be TERRIBLE in the third world.
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As much as I detest the style and the person, Trump's remarks saying that delocalisation amounts to economic treason towards the ordinary american worker is perfectly justified. Why the democrats are not denouncing this other than Sanders mentioning he is against unconditional free trade gives credence that they are in the pockets of big corporate interests and their lobbyists. I can see now why he is able to get popular support even as he lies about his achievements and his grotesque vulgarity makes him a clown. I like how he mentions the great wall of China but never the wall in Israel as an example of a successful barrier.
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gravy wrote:This is a good watch

Always a dubious start when you're instructed to watch a video to the very end. Right up there with "n something somethings that someone didn't something".

I once went along with that and ground through something like half an hour of raging misogyny with what I assumed was the promise of a punch line at the end, but there wasn't one. FWIW, this guy asks you for your email address and promises to send you some kind of self-help video.
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noodles wrote:As much as I detest the style and the person, Trump's remarks saying that delocalisation amounts to economic treason towards the ordinary american worker is perfectly justified.
The world gets richer while America becomes relatively less rich?

Given the extent of extreme poverty worldwide, that's probably a good thing overall, though it may take a few decades to work through to the point that inflation in "the west" takes off again.
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zip accident wrote:
Darkflame wrote:arg, heck no.
I wish everywhere had term limits. Its one thing the US has got right, regardless of origins.
I got nothing against Obama, but a term limit stops accumulation of power over extended duration's. Its a safety cap.
Right on Darkflame.

Two seems to be about the limit, there are hundreds (might be a slight exaggeration, I haven't counted, but I'd guess 50 is a low estimate) of current life presidencies/monarchies that started out with "just one more term".
But doesn't this limit just lead to the title being passed around within the family?
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