Trump

[Little stoned kiwi]

Resurrecting a project from the Regan administration (surely a period where 'America was great'?) to kill illegal immigrants (and their families) with FREAKING LAZERS IN SPACE is exactly the sort of thing President Trump needs to secure his victory.

[Duck Turkin]

I used to assume that religion isn't anti-science, but now I'm in the U.S. I'm not so confident. The question of sending an atheist child to a catholic school came up, and while anywhere else in the world I might be happy with the quality of the education that would come from that, in the U.S. I fear it could be an anti-science education.

I've no idea how I can test that prejudice.

You should not confuse all religions with Biblical literalists. Those wackos ARE anti-science. While guilty of a lot, at least the Catholic church promotes the teaching of evolution, Global Warming and the Big Bang theory. Hardly anti-science.

[gumboot]

this and arming rebels associated with Al Qaeda (remember them? ) to fight Assad. Now admitting his post Libya preparations were a mistake.

There's no denying that that was an obvious shithead move from the outset.

But one the Americans have plenty of experience with. See also cold war Afghanistan, Iran/Contra, etc.

Yeah. That makes it all the more shitheadeder. When will they learn?

[gumboot]

I used to assume that religion isn't anti-science, but now I'm in the U.S. I'm not so confident. The question of sending an atheist child to a catholic school came up, and while anywhere else in the world I might be happy with the quality of the education that would come from that, in the U.S. I fear it could be an anti-science education.

I've no idea how I can test that prejudice.

You should not confuse all religions with Biblical literalists. Those wackos ARE anti-science. While guilty of a lot, at least the Catholic church promotes the teaching of evolution, Global Warming and the Big Bang theory. Hardly anti-science.

Every time I think "but biblical literalism is over, right?", something slaps me down just the same as if I'd thought "but racism is over, right?". And it's pretty much always the U.S. that ruins it. So if someone asks me if its safe to send a child to a catholic school in the U.S., I really couldn't say.

[gravy]

So Obama will leave having doubled the National debt to 20 trillion $, of which he claimed the original 10 trillion was "unpatriotic"

this and arming rebels associated with Al Qaeda (remember them? ) to fight Assad. Now admitting his post Libya preparations were a mistake.

' Libya plunged into chaos with militias taking over and two rival parliaments and governments forming.
So-called Islamic State (IS) gained a foothold, and Libya became a major departure point for migrants trying to reach Europe.'

There must be a lot more to Ugly face Trump's 'disastrous side' we haven't seen, to claim he could beat that.

I can guarantee you won't see Trump apologising for mistakes end of term, if gets in office.

Even if he should.

[gumboot]

He'd probably just pretend he didn't know them. Why didn't Obama think of that?

[PumaG]

So Obama will leave having doubled the National debt to 20 trillion $, of which he claimed the original 10 trillion was "unpatriotic"

this and arming rebels associated with Al Qaeda (remember them? ) to fight Assad. Now admitting his post Libya preparations were a mistake.

' Libya plunged into chaos with militias taking over and two rival parliaments and governments forming.
So-called Islamic State (IS) gained a foothold, and Libya became a major departure point for migrants trying to reach Europe.'

There must be a lot more to Ugly face Trump's 'disastrous side' we haven't seen, to claim he could beat that.

I can guarantee you won't see Trump apologising for mistakes end of term, if gets in office.

Even if he should.

A bit like Putin then.

Let's be fair. America isn't going to stop sticking its f#cking nose in other countries business and displacing millions any time soon. I'll have more respect for future presidents who stick to their guns, than the last few showers who kill 100's of thousands then admit they were wrong. These f#ckers sent in drones armed to the teeth unsure whether they were doing the right thing.

[PumaG]

Stephen Fry quite interesting to listen to on his view of America and religion ("it all went horribly wrong" , among others ("Countries that have kings, and queens, which are rationally stupid, weird ideas, are empirically freer and more socially just, than countries that don't") (we're very sorry that Uncle touched you in that nasty place but...")


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJQHakkViPo

[gumboot]

Let's be fair. America isn't going to stop sticking its f#cking nose in other countries business and displacing millions any time soon. I'll have more respect for future presidents who stick to their guns, than the last few showers who kill 100's of thousands then admit they were wrong. These f#ckers sent in drones armed to the teeth unsure whether they were doing the right thing.

Well, not admitting you were wrong afterwards isn't the same as not being wrong at the time, is it. It's not even the same as being certain you were right at the time.

This is somewhere I don't think Hillary offers to be any better than the rest. Sanders may not turn out better either, but he could be worth a shot.

It's entirely inconceivable that Trump could ever be better.

[pogo]

I can guarantee you won't see Trump apologising for mistakes end of term, if gets in office.

Even if he should.

Yes. One thing that separates Trump from the rest of the field, and pretty much every western politician, is he is a pathological liar. Everyone lies at some time, politicians more than most. But for Trump it’s the default mode. He even lies when it is easily falsifiable. E.g. his claim that he saw “thousands and thousands of people” cheering the collapse of the World Trade Centre. Not only is that false but it’s easily verified as false. Or his claim to not know who David Duke was.

I think this is something that has served him well in business. With such a disastrous business career as he has, with numerous failures bankruptcies, lying must serve him well in covering up his past while promising a good deal. He still does it of course, claiming his success as a businessman will make him a good president. His policies are similarly fictional, both misidentifying the problems and promising impossible solutions.

Problem is politics is much more about trust than business. In business people rely on contracts, letting them do deals even with others they do not trust, but there are no such contracts in politics (discounting comedic attempts at them, such as EdStone). And Trump has a serious problem with trust, with a large portion if not a majority of the electorate who can see through his bullshit.

[gravy]

So Obama will leave having doubled the National debt to 20 trillion $, of which he claimed the original 10 trillion was "unpatriotic"

this and arming rebels associated with Al Qaeda (remember them? ) to fight Assad. Now admitting his post Libya preparations were a mistake.

' Libya plunged into chaos with militias taking over and two rival parliaments and governments forming.
So-called Islamic State (IS) gained a foothold, and Libya became a major departure point for migrants trying to reach Europe.'

There must be a lot more to Ugly face Trump's 'disastrous side' we haven't seen, to claim he could beat that.

I can guarantee you won't see Trump apologising for mistakes end of term, if gets in office.

Even if he should.

A bit like Putin then.

Let's be fair. America isn't going to stop sticking its f#cking nose in other countries business and displacing millions any time soon. I'll have more respect for future presidents who stick to their guns, than the last few showers who kill 100's of thousands then admit they were wrong. These f#ckers sent in drones armed to the teeth unsure whether they were doing the right thing.

You've more respect for Presidents who kill more people but only if they don't say sorry?

Valuing an abstract concept like respect for the President, over a concrete reality people losing their lives is crackers.

Did you really mean to say that?

[PumaG]

So Obama will leave having doubled the National debt to 20 trillion $, of which he claimed the original 10 trillion was "unpatriotic"

this and arming rebels associated with Al Qaeda (remember them? ) to fight Assad. Now admitting his post Libya preparations were a mistake.

' Libya plunged into chaos with militias taking over and two rival parliaments and governments forming.
So-called Islamic State (IS) gained a foothold, and Libya became a major departure point for migrants trying to reach Europe.'

There must be a lot more to Ugly face Trump's 'disastrous side' we haven't seen, to claim he could beat that.

I can guarantee you won't see Trump apologising for mistakes end of term, if gets in office.

Even if he should.

A bit like Putin then.

Let's be fair. America isn't going to stop sticking its f#cking nose in other countries business and displacing millions any time soon. I'll have more respect for future presidents who stick to their guns, than the last few showers who kill 100's of thousands then admit they were wrong. These f#ckers sent in drones armed to the teeth unsure whether they were doing the right thing.

You've more respect for Presidents who kill more people but only if they don't say sorry?

Valuing an abstract concept like respect for the President, over a concrete reality people losing their lives is crackers.

Did you really mean to say that?

Who is Trump going to kill? Lets tackle that first.

[PumaG]

I can guarantee you won't see Trump apologising for mistakes end of term, if gets in office.

Even if he should.

Yes. One thing that separates Trump from the rest of the field, and pretty much every western politician, is he is a pathological liar. Everyone lies at some time, politicians more than most. But for Trump it’s the default mode. He even lies when it is easily falsifiable. E.g. his claim that he saw “thousands and thousands of people” cheering the collapse of the World Trade Centre. Not only is that false but it’s easily verified as false. Or his claim to not know who David Duke was.

I think this is something that has served him well in business. With such a disastrous business career as he has, with numerous failures bankruptcies, lying must serve him well in covering up his past while promising a good deal. He still does it of course, claiming his success as a businessman will make him a good president. His policies are similarly fictional, both misidentifying the problems and promising impossible solutions.

Problem is politics is much more about trust than business. In business people rely on contracts, letting them do deals even with others they do not trust, but there are no such contracts in politics (discounting comedic attempts at them, such as EdStone). And Trump has a serious problem with trust, with a large portion if not a majority of the electorate who can see through his bullshit.

Thats not quite right is it. because default mode for politicians is to not answer difficult questions and openly dodge them.
Default mode for liberals is to be offended by truth.
Trump answers questions and theres an element of truth when directing what he says, which is where most of the offence comes from, but hey lets mock him for being an ugly awkward twat. so that's two things that separates him. Making himself look a cunt in the process is certainly not unique.
Trump has been a massive gift for the lefties, it's been a great time to bury bad news.

[gravy]

A bit like Putin then.

Let's be fair. America isn't going to stop sticking its f#cking nose in other countries business and displacing millions any time soon. I'll have more respect for future presidents who stick to their guns, than the last few showers who kill 100's of thousands then admit they were wrong. These f#ckers sent in drones armed to the teeth unsure whether they were doing the right thing.

You've more respect for Presidents who kill more people but only if they don't say sorry?

Valuing an abstract concept like respect for the President, over a concrete reality people losing their lives is crackers.

Did you really mean to say that?

Who is Trump going to kill? Lets tackle that first.

Why?

It's not about Trump. It's about this:

I'll have more respect for future presidents who stick to their guns, than the last few showers who kill 100's of thousands then admit they were wrong.

Let's tackle that first.

[PumaG]

It's not about Trump. It's about this:

I'll have more respect for future presidents who stick to their guns, than the last few showers who kill 100's of thousands then admit they were wrong.

Let's tackle that first.

You can't see what I have no respect for Bush and Obama? fuck off they're filth. They should have both just stuck to their guns and claimed they did the right thing. Not that it makes any difference mind, the majority seemed to accept what they were doing and revoted for them and the twats are now being duped with the latest rounds of admissions of mistakes. These admissions are just political moves anyway. America's interference and destabilization programs need one big massive apology and promise to keep their noses out in the future.

Putin on Syria "stabilising the legitimate power in Syria and creating the conditions for political compromise"

almost the opposite of what Bush and Obama did and opposite of what America generally aspires to do

Forget the future presidents bit. Lets stick with Obama, this week. Id have more respect for him if he claimed it wasn't a mistake, as the movement of migrants were good for world economies and they end up with a better life for them and their families anyway.

which is pretty much the excuse they make for illegal Mexicans, so why is it a "mistake" in the middle east? Germany certainly saw the potential, of having a consistent sized population to lend money to in the future.