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[PumaG]

I was wondering if he'd actually seen it or was just channelling neocon mra activists off of twatter.

Doesn't matter if he'd seen it or not. Once you've decided it's all the fault of fucking feminist cunts trying to get victim status, little things like "facts" stop mattering.

Once you've allowed, and only you have allowed, Trump to get under your skin, everyone else can fuck off basically. (Thats the theme of this thread. )

When someone mouths off enough to put him into 'racist fucker' Territory, the lynch mob are out. Usually extreme left, liberals with mental illness and you'll even see rent a mobs involved. All just as unpleasant as things Trump is supposed to be up to.

I'll continue to post articles closely related to Trump's campaign that also demonize others to provide some balance and show the hypocrisy of the people who were sure they'd backed a winner in rounding on Trump.

Regarding your "facts", I suppose you think Fields and Weinstein are angels?
Ive actually decided they're Narcissist media vermin, not sure what your whining about `feminists' is all about. Oh you made it up. Now tackle my actual statement and not stuff appearing in your imagination because a fat ugly American got under your skin.

[pogo]

When someone mouths off enough to put him into 'racist fucker' Territory, the lynch mob are out.

And the one who has been mouthing off enough? Trump himself. His “Islam Hates Us”, condemning one and a half billion people, is racist. His attempts to stir hatred for Muslims by making up stories about “thousands and thousands” of Muslims celebrating 9/11 is racist. His retweeting racism from white supremacists and neo-nazis is racist.

No-one is doing it to Trump. He is doing it himself. Once might be a slip, twice unfortunate. But this is a deliberate strategy on his part, to appeal to people’s baser instincts with racism.

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Again with the complaining about Trump being discussed in the Trump thread.

Even if anyone was inclined to agree with your list of people as BAD AS TRUMP AS TRUMP IS SUPPOSED TO BE, none of them have a plausible path to being President in the next 6 months.

BTW why aren't the goppers who hate Trump on your list? You keep equating Trump antipathy to left wing liberalism but the truth is loads of people hate him from all sides of the political spectrum. He's an equal opportunities hate figure.

I think at the base of it you want to vote Trump but feel embarrassed to admit it. You should just come out of the closet or what ever the Trump equivalent is. The Trumpet? Yeah, PumaG come out of the Trumpet and be proud of who you are.

[tufty]

Regarding your "facts", I suppose you think Fields and Weinstein are angels?

Doesn't matter if I think they are angels, devils, or a little-known music hall duo, really, does it? Not any more than it matters if I think you're a mouth-breathing moron, in any case.

Now tackle my actual statement …

Okay

not sure what your whining about `feminists' is all about. Oh you made it up.

This is a gender-identity based attack on Trump. The signatories use their status as women to push this anti-Trump agenda.

You're a dick, with a dick.

[PumaG]

When someone mouths off enough to put him into 'racist fucker' Territory, the lynch mob are out.

And the one who has been mouthing off enough? Trump himself. His “Islam Hates Us”, condemning one and a half billion people, is racist. His attempts to stir hatred for Muslims by making up stories about “thousands and thousands” of Muslims celebrating 9/11 is racist. His retweeting racism from white supremacists and neo-nazis is racist.

No-one is doing it to Trump. He is doing it himself. Once might be a slip, twice unfortunate. But this is a deliberate strategy on his part, to appeal to people’s baser instincts with racism.

Trump mouthed off about islam after Terrorist attacks at home and in europe, yet just like everyone else in America, says fuck all about what seem like daily events in the middle east and Africa, often associated with hatred of the west and America's meddling.

So let's take Trump and his racism out of the equation. Does the world become a better place? does America stop interfering and going to war? Do the terror attacks stop?

Because everyone but me in this thread thinks a Trump presidency would be an 'utter disaster' . In what context ? when all of the above stop happening? yes, after achieving utopian society, he would be a disaster, but that is at least 1000 years away.

I actually like Obama as a person and dislike Trump (from what Ive seen on TV) yet under Obama's term........well I cant be arsed anymore, the last time I pointed out he wasn't perfect apparently it was irrelevant. Some people are just living in a fantasy world.

[PumaG]

Regarding your "facts", I suppose you think Fields and Weinstein are angels?

Doesn't matter if I think they are angels, devils, or a little-known music hall duo, really, does it? Not any more than it matters if I think you're a mouth-breathing moron, in any case.

Now tackle my actual statement …

Okay

not sure what your whining about `feminists' is all about. Oh you made it up.

This is a gender-identity based attack on Trump. The signatories use their status as women to push this anti-Trump agenda.

You're a dick, with a dick.

That wasn't my statement.

Personally I think they should apologise though and you have no dick if youre apologising for people who dont believe in innocent until proven guilty.
and totally deluded if you think there arnt people with an anti-trump agenda

[PumaG]

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[PumaG]

Again with the complaining about Trump being discussed in the Trump thread.

Even if anyone was inclined to agree with your list of people as BAD AS TRUMP AS TRUMP IS SUPPOSED TO BE, none of them have a plausible path to being President in the next 6 months.

BTW why aren't the goppers who hate Trump on your list? You keep equating Trump antipathy to left wing liberalism but the truth is loads of people hate him from all sides of the political spectrum. He's an equal opportunities hate figure.

I think at the base of it you want to vote Trump but feel embarrassed to admit it. You should just come out of the closet or what ever the Trump equivalent is. The Trumpet? Yeah, PumaG come out of the Trumpet and be proud of who you are.

So Im talking about hypocrisy, and you wriggle and worm that into me having a list of people as bad as Trump?

I have no idea how to gauge such people. I mean, I like Obama, the majority here think he is perfect but he armed Al Qaeda's friends, remember them? 99% people here think Trump would do worse than that. . This place stinks of idiots who think it's ok, so long as its not in our backyard.

Only that theres a bunch opposing trump who dont belive that someone is innocent until proven guilty. Or those accusing media of lying whilst wildly exaggerating themselves.

I once stated here that all politicians are liars and that didn't go down well either . This is the mentality if the thread. Trump got under your skin, you allowed that to happen, not my problem.

All politicians are liars.

[PumaG]

I think at the base of it you want to vote Trump but feel embarrassed to admit it. You should just come out of the closet or what ever the Trump equivalent is. The Trumpet? Yeah, PumaG come out of the Trumpet and be proud of who you are.

Why would I be embarrassed to admit it?

Im embarrassed for the beautiful American people I know, who hate politics, who don't vote. Who equally hate the Narcissist media (who've sunk to new depths during this campaign.) The whole 'circus' is full of vermin and yet people here have actually chosen sides in the whole thing ?

If I was eligible to vote I would be stuck, as I agree with ideas and policies of some on the left and right , but wait a minute....both Republicans and Democrats are well represented in Federal government arent they? So if say, I hated Muslims and Mexicans, like you've implied (FYI it would have to be American Muslims) what exactly would I gain by voting Trump? The wall is already done. Given that Ive stated many times his ideas are unworkable and even if they were it's unlikely theyd get passed.

Are you absolutely sure that there are no counties and cities in the US who are already voting not to take in any more migrants already?

[pogo]

Trump mouthed off about islam after Terrorist attacks at home and in europe, yet just like everyone else in America, says fuck all about what seem like daily events in the middle east and Africa, often associated with hatred of the west and America's meddling.

His racist lies about Islam and Muslims are just part of it. He also tells racist lies about blacks. E.g. retweeting this:

In case it’s not obvious the figures are complete nonsense, just something some racist made up. The “Crime Statistics Bureau – San Francisco” does not exist. But Trump tweeted the image. I cannot believe he is so stupid to think the numbers correct, so it was a deliberate, racist act. Part of a careful and deliberate strategy.

[PumaG]

Trump mouthed off about islam after Terrorist attacks at home and in europe, yet just like everyone else in America, says fuck all about what seem like daily events in the middle east and Africa, often associated with hatred of the west and America's meddling.

His racist lies about Islam and Muslims are just part of it. He also tells racist lies about blacks. E.g. retweeting this:

In case it’s not obvious the figures are complete nonsense, just something some racist made up. The “Crime Statistics Bureau – San Francisco” does not exist. But Trump tweeted the image. I cannot believe he is so stupid to think the numbers correct, so it was a deliberate, racist act. Part of a careful and deliberate strategy.

since when is a re-tweet been careful or classed as strategy? I fully expect Trump to have been involved in the production of those stats/poster if what you're saying is true.

A careful strategy should at least consider that a google search of 'black on black crime' brings up the 'FBI homicide statistics page' at N02,

No1 references it and claims to de-bunk 'the myth', claiming "Even though the ratio of black homicides against black victims is greater, the number of white murderers far exceeds the number of black murderers."

it also finds the percentage of hate crimes based on religion is the same as sexual orientation.

Dig a bit deeper and studies that found a correlation with race and high crime rates, puts it down to poverty and disadvantage.

Trump is also being accused as a racist (or bad for Black America) because he pointed out Obama didnt live up to the promise of dealing with poverty and disadvantage that lead to crime and high murder rates in minorities. Although he did look fantastic serving soup to them on camera, when looking for votes again.

Just incase people's imaginations run wild again: Ive only been aware of this 'Blacks for Trump' page 5 minutes, shall we say this is all part of the 'circus' ?

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It's certainly not a statement of I DISAGREE WITH THIS.

He's racist or stupid, or both I guess. Either way he's an awful candidate and would be a terrible president.

Here's some evidence for the stupidity case:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gl ... e-29406803

[PumaG]

His retweeting racism from white supremacists and neo-nazis is racist.

No-one is doing it to Trump. He is doing it himself. Once might be a slip, twice unfortunate. But this is a deliberate strategy on his part, to appeal to people’s baser instincts with racism.

He had an endorsement from Charles Evers after being criticized for not immediately disavowing former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke’s endorsement of him.


“I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists,” Trump said on CNN.

“So I don’t know. I don’t know — did he ­endorse me, or what’s going on? Because I know nothing about David Duke; I know nothing about white supremacists.”

Since those remarks, Trump has denounced Duke repeatedly, calling the former Klan leader “a bad person.”


Herman Cain

“Donald Trump does not satisfy the definition of a racist,” Cain said on Fox News’ “Kelly File.”
Cain bashed activists who also appeared on the show to criticize Trump’s record with minorities, calling them “part of the political noise machine.”

“They are in denial that Donald Trump is someone who will be forceful in doing the things that are right for all Americans,” Cain said.

Cain spoke out against the Black Lives Matter movement Thursday, saying its only goals are “destruction and distraction.”


Charles Evers

“I think he’s the best one right now,” “He’s someone like me: he speaks from the hip. He’s not a politician.”
“I see nothing to show he is a racist,” “I don’t want any party to assume they’ve got all the black vote.”
“All of us got a little racism — including me.’’

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It's certainly not a statement of I DISAGREE WITH THIS.

He's racist or stupid, or both I guess. Either way he's an awful candidate and would be a terrible president.

Here's some evidence for the stupidity case:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gl ... e-29406803

A terrible president in a recent line of terrible presidents. At last we're getting somewhere, hardly the 'utter disaster' the scaremongers claim. Maybe he would be, maybe Clinton will

“Donald Trump does not satisfy the definition of a racist,” Cain said on Fox News’ “Kelly File.”
Cain bashed activists who also appeared on the show to criticize Trump’s record with minorities, calling them “part of the political noise machine.”

“They are in denial that Donald Trump is someone who will be forceful in doing the things that are right for all Americans,” Cain said.

Cain spoke out against the Black Lives Matter movement Thursday, saying its only goals are “destruction and distraction.”


Charles Evers

“I think he’s the best one right now,” “He’s someone like me: he speaks from the hip. He’s not a politician.”
“I see nothing to show he is a racist,” “I don’t want any party to assume they’ve got all the black vote.”
“All of us got a little racism — including me.’’

Hey just so I understand, do you agree with those quotes or just posting them here for no reason?

Just want to be sure!

[pogo]

since when is a re-tweet been careful or classed as strategy? I fully expect Trump to have been involved in the production of those stats/poster if what you're saying is true.

It’s not just one though but numerous retweets. It’s not just his inflammatory statements at his events. It’s not just Muslims. It’s not just Blacks. It’s not just Hispanics. It’s a deliberate and sustained strategy, has been from the start.

I would perhaps though take back the “careful”. Normally Republican candidates are careful to avoid being overtly racist. They choose policies to appeal to conservative whites without mentioning particular ethnic or religious groups. So they talk about immigration, and the border, but don’t call Mexicans rapists. They call for tough action on terrorism, including “enhanced interrogation”, but don’t insult or say they will target Muslims. And so on.

Trump has ignored this convention, choosing policies and statements which are racist. He has not been very careful; at times his approach is quite scattergun. But it is not just the odd statement, it has been a sustained, wide ranging racist agenda, since his campaign started.