Trump

[PumaG]

It's certainly not a statement of I DISAGREE WITH THIS.

He's racist or stupid, or both I guess. Either way he's an awful candidate and would be a terrible president.

Here's some evidence for the stupidity case:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gl ... e-29406803

A terrible president in a recent line of terrible presidents. At last we're getting somewhere, hardly the 'utter disaster' the scaremongers claim. Maybe he would be, maybe Clinton will

“Donald Trump does not satisfy the definition of a racist,” Cain said on Fox News’ “Kelly File.”
Cain bashed activists who also appeared on the show to criticize Trump’s record with minorities, calling them “part of the political noise machine.”

“They are in denial that Donald Trump is someone who will be forceful in doing the things that are right for all Americans,” Cain said.

Cain spoke out against the Black Lives Matter movement Thursday, saying its only goals are “destruction and distraction.”


Charles Evers

“I think he’s the best one right now,” “He’s someone like me: he speaks from the hip. He’s not a politician.”
“I see nothing to show he is a racist,” “I don’t want any party to assume they’ve got all the black vote.”
“All of us got a little racism — including me.’’

Hey just so I understand, do you agree with those quotes or just posting them here for no reason?

Just want to be sure!

Wait.. so you're comparing quotes from seemingly respected figures from civil rights movements, to that of the proven hypocrite 'beta-male dork' Journo's twitter 'circus' and daily mail headlines?
Nice

You seem to hold all the facts that Trump is a racist. So obviously I didn't post those quotes for 'no reason'. Theres quite a bit in their to digest, yes I agree with Cain bashing activists and Evers saying Trump speaks from the hip and isn't a politician. They both seem to have more reasonable attitudes than the programmed lefties who will slap a Swas sticker in someones face for wanting to continue a traditional way of life.

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I'm asking you what you're saying.

You're calling Herman Cain a respected civil rights activist?

[PumaG]

since when is a re-tweet been careful or classed as strategy? I fully expect Trump to have been involved in the production of those stats/poster if what you're saying is true.

It’s not just one though but numerous retweets. It’s not just his inflammatory statements at his events. It’s not just Muslims. It’s not just Blacks. It’s not just Hispanics. It’s a deliberate and sustained strategy, has been from the start.

I would perhaps though take back the “careful”. Normally Republican candidates are careful to avoid being overtly racist. They choose policies to appeal to conservative whites without mentioning particular ethnic or religious groups. So they talk about immigration, and the border, but don’t call Mexicans rapists. They call for tough action on terrorism, including “enhanced interrogation”, but don’t insult or say they will target Muslims. And so on.

Trump has ignored this convention, choosing policies and statements which are racist. He has not been very careful; at times his approach is quite scattergun. But it is not just the odd statement, it has been a sustained, wide ranging racist agenda, since his campaign started.

The anti-trump movement and the natural knee-jerk reaction of everyone else, is predominantly based on him saying racist things, but what if Charles Evers is correct, and that Black people 'all have a bit of racism' in them?
Couldn't that cancel each other out then be ignored and get on with politics? Spike Lee says stupid and racist things, he's mostly ignored by all races. With everyone allowed a bit of racism which cancels out then people get on with voting for someone who they think will make America great again? because the issues here are old and still dont look anywhere near to being solved,
The Blacks supporting and endorsing Trump don't seem to think that is Clinton. I prefer the look of Clinton's environment stance, but Im not claiming Im right on the matter, hold 'facts' nor predict her future unlike those opposing Trump who are 100% right.
The truth is that people voting wont be in full possession of facts and where far left start to become unpleasant with their nasty propaganda. A White person uses racist words, they're 100% wrong and need silencing. When whites are in the US minority in a few decades, it's possible there will be hatred between once minority groups, who you gonna blame? Will white liberals still want to get involved or flee?
I've pointed out that studies into crime and homicide finding high rates in ethnic groups have always blamed poverty and disadvantage. People should be concentrating on class warfare, not the next Adolf Hitler.

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Ah, Herman Cain. Mr Nine Nine Nine if I remember rightly.

I bet many Republicans wish it were still 2012. Then Herman Cain was the business candidate with the larger than life personality. His speciality was some very odd economics ideas. I think he was in the lead in the race for a brief time, but then so were most of the candidates. But they settled on Mitt Romney, the establishment candidate.

Now though the businessman with no political experience is leading the race. He is even odder than than Herman Cain, and much more offensive and divisive. The establishment candidates have failed, so even if Trump is stopped the alternative of Cruz is little better.

[PumaG]

I'm asking you what you're saying.

You're calling Herman Cain a respected civil rights activist?

so you've actually done some donkey work and watered it down, well done. Cain is a Black man who grew up in the Civil rights era. I used the word 'seemingly' but honestly dont know how well respected they are, only they don't seem to be drawing ridicule from the lefties, so are probably alright.
I quoted them because they're Black and both didn't see anything racist in trump, but then you knew that! (you probably want to know how many hours I'll keep coming back, from several pages ago you were acting like there is a trophy to win. You've only ever made wild guesses at my mentality towards politics and continually try to trip me up on your one-dimensional agenda.)

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I'm fully aware who Herman Cain is and what a fucking idiot he is too. It's amazing you don't to be honest.

You're just admitting to using people you don't have a clue about to back up your position that Trump's not racist.

It's the same as Trump wishing Fred West many happy returns

Okay, the views of respected civil rights activists seem important to you.

What do the NCAAP say about Trump? You'd agree they're respected civil rights activists yeah?

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The anti-trump movement and the natural knee-jerk reaction of everyone else, is predominantly based on him saying racist things

Well, yeah. Exactly.

Also, he's said some misogynistic things too. And then there's just the plain bat shit crazy stuff, like deliberately murdering the families of America's enemies and using torture (which provably just does not pragmatically work, even if it wasn't as inhumane as inhumanity could get).

...and you're surprised by this reaction?

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The anti-trump movement and the natural knee-jerk reaction of everyone else, is predominantly based on him saying racist things, but what if Charles Evers is correct, and that Black people 'all have a bit of racism' in them?
Couldn't that cancel each other out then be ignored and get on with politics?

Trump is in the same vein as Sarah Palin. Anyone with a brain can see they are depraved, parasitic, sub-human fuckwits. I don't see why you're taking the position of defending Trump, because there are other cunts. Trump is a much much worse cunt. He's mega-cunt off-the-scale absolute basketcase. The idea he could become president of the No.1 superpower in the world-the only country to use nuclear weapons-is a terrifying prospect. The rest of the world is aghast that supposedly intelligent adults take this circus freak seriously.

There's totally a scale to this. Obama like New Labour has committed vile acts. I hope it's not necessary to point out that one is aware of the vile things Obama has perpetrated, for you to realise that people are aware of those acts? I'd go further and say I believe many people register that the vast majority of those vying for power across the political spectrum globally are assholes - and the few truly sincere politicians : Jeremy Corbyn - rarely get a look in due to the seething mass of cuntery. That's a reason to watch more Noam Chomsky, it's not a reason to defend Donald Trump..

He's the end of the fucking world!!

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[PS just helpfully chipping in - not really been following the discussion ]

[PumaG]

Supreme Court Seems Split on Obama’s Immigration Plan


The case, brought by 26 states, may produce a significant ruling on presidential power and immigration policy in the midst of a presidential campaign in which both issues have been prominent.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor said that about 11 million immigrants live “in the shadows.”

“They’re here whether we want them or not,” Justice Sotomayor said.

“It’s as if the president is defining the policy and the Congress is executing it,” Justice Kennedy said. “That’s just upside down.”

The states challenging Mr. Obama’s immigration plan say he has repeatedly taken unilateral and unlawful action to sidestep Congress

Scott A. Keller, Texas’s solicitor general, said Mr. Obama’s plan was unprecedented and unlawful


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/19/us/po ... -news&_r=0

[PumaG]

I'm fully aware who Herman Cain is and what a fucking idiot he is too. It's amazing you don't to be honest.

You're just admitting to using people you don't have a clue about to back up your position that Trump's not racist.

It's the same as Trump wishing Fred West many happy returns

Okay, the views of respected civil rights activists seem important to you.

What do the NCAAP say about Trump? You'd agree they're respected civil rights activists yeah?

Given an infinite amount of time, you'd be calling approx 50% of Americans either idiots or racists one by one. You certainly have no qualms about calling all Republicans racist. And without thought recorders, you'd probably still never find out who the true racists are.

Im presenting you people who claim he isnt racist, people who you cant possibly contemplate having different appropriations of the word, written off as idiots, (you only filter out the republicans for your following tirade) whilst you say he is. I dont have a position that needs backing up, Trump doesnt appear to have broken any laws , only your law and the British lefty mental cases who are all for 11 million illegal immigrants being pardoned, and wanted to make up new laws to stop him entering Britain.

Are the people against Obama's immigration policy also racist, yes or no? will members of the supreme court be banned from Britain?

So it appears the supreme court could find Obama's plan unlawful, meaning Trump's plan would be lawful.

You'd love to see the supreme court overruled because you dont like someone. This attitude is why Trump gains support and why a future less clumsy Trump will become president. Another Black trump supporter was quoted as saying 'this political correctness has got to stop'.

[PumaG]

The anti-trump movement and the natural knee-jerk reaction of everyone else, is predominantly based on him saying racist things

Well, yeah. Exactly.

Also, he's said some misogynistic things too. And then there's just the plain bat shit crazy stuff, like deliberately murdering the families of America's enemies and using torture (which provably just does not pragmatically work, even if it wasn't as inhumane as inhumanity could get).

...and you're surprised by this reaction?

yes, as Ive stated many times, you've listed things other presidents have done, so the anti-Trump movement cant have the bloodshed and torture of the military as their predominant attack on him. Saying 11 million illegal Mexicans should be deported is far worse than the killing of 100,000s in phony wars and displacing tens of millions, didnt ya know?
His misogynistic quotes will be interesting to look back on when/if predicted in a few decades, whites are in the minority and the Muslim population has expanded significantly. Presumably some of the misogynistic migrants Sweden and Germany have had trouble with will make it to the US.

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I'm calling racists racists and idiots idiots. Herman Cain is an idiot, it's his thing. You think this is clever?



That and the extra marital affairs put paid to his won play to be the GOP nominee last time.

But what I'm saying has nothing to do with Republicans. There's a not insignificant amount of them that'd pretty much agree with what I've written here.

So it appears the supreme court could find Obama's plan unlawful, meaning Trump's plan would be lawful.

You'd love to see the supreme court overruled because you dont like someone. Your attitude is why Trump gains support and why a future less clumsy Trump will become president

Lol. It may get thrown out because of the way the legislation was implemented, through executive order. The same would be true if Trump tried to force a different set of laws by bypassing the legislature as Obama did.

I actually like the US's separation of executive, legislative and judiciary. It'll be the last bulwark against Trump's craziness if he manages to get into office.

yes, as Ive stated many times, you've listed things other presidents have done, so the anti-Trump movement cant have the bloodshed and torture of the military as their predominant attack on him. Saying 11 million illegal Mexicans should be deported is far worse than the killing of 100,000s in phony wars and displacing tens of millions, didnt ya know?

Trump views the pointless wars and use of torture as the good old days and wants to bring it all back.

"ISIS ARE LAUGHING AT US!"

[PumaG]

RACIST CUNT!

“The momentum against the president’s lawlessness continues to build with Tennessee and Nevada joining the effort to protect our states from the economic and public safety implications of illegal amnesty,” Paxton said in a statement



http://www.jurist.org/paperchase/2015/0 ... awsuit.php

[PumaG]

RACIST CUNT!

“The momentum against the president’s lawlessness continues to build with Tennessee and Nevada joining the effort to protect our states from the economic and public safety implications of illegal amnesty,” Paxton said in a statement



http://www.jurist.org/paperchase/2015/0 ... awsuit.php

and more of them!


House passes bill that could limit Syrian refugees

The vote was 289-137, with 47 Democrats joining 242 Republicans in favor of the bill, creating a majority that could override President Barack Obama's promised veto.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/19/polit ... ngs-obama/


'The House easily passed a bill Thursday that would suspend the program allowing Syrian and Iraqi refugees into the U.S. until key national security agencies certify they don't pose a security risk.'


Hmmm, let's hope none of those Syrians or Iraqis are Muslim, this is dangerously close to madman Donald 'Hitler' Trump's reasoning.
The '289' need naming and shaming.