Trump

[pogo]

Trump is attracted to Putin as Trump is a fool. His policies make no sense but this is especially true of his foreign policies which seem to be based on two ridiculous misconceptions. That the US only gets bad deals as they are bad negotiators, and he as a good negotiator would be able to fix this. Putin (to Trump) seems like the ideal embodiment of this.

Putin is no fool though and would run rings around Trump if given the chance. Putin likes Trump the same way he likes anything that damages or disrupts the west, such as Brexit, the Greek crisis, chaos in Syria, or a Trump victory. In Putin’s zero-sum world Russia only does well when other countries are doing badly. Like Trump he likes to blame foreigners for his country’s ills, rather than deal with the problems back home.

[Mayhem]

Friend's response when asked which of Clinton or Trump she'll vote for...

http://wifflegif.com/gifs/279854-arrow- ... ggghhh-gif

[Absolute_Zero]

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[gumboot]

Bernie's still got a chance!

[Absolute_Zero]

Trump's best chance.

[Darkflame]

I am not convinced Sanders would be worst then Hillary against Trump.
He might lose some from being "too left" but gain some from also being anti-establishment/wall street.
Somewhat swings and roundabouts.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -donald-t/

[Darkflame]

I am not convinced Sanders would be worst then Hillary against Trump.
He might lose some from being "too left" but gain some from also being anti-establishment/wall street.
Somewhat swings and roundabouts.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -donald-t/

[gumboot]

Yeah; Bernie has a lot of Trump's anti-establishment appeal and is more likely to be sincere about it than is Trump.

[Absolute_Zero]

Be careful what you wish for.

[pogo]

I am not convinced Sanders would be worst then Hillary against Trump.
He might lose some from being "too left" but gain some from also being anti-establishment/wall street.

Sanders has some big problems which would hinder him. He is far scarier to business which means donors and many Americans. Donors, via PACs, can and will go after him with adverts to highlight this. They have been focussing on Clinton as the presumptive nominee so far, which makes her look bad but it means her negatives are very well known. And she is still expected to beat Trump despite this.

Clinton should be much better at getting out voters too. Ethnic minorities in particular support her much more, and they will be key in any Democrat victory. She should also be much more successful at attracting defecting Republicans. Bernie’s supporters will still support her; once they look closely at her platform they will see it is pretty close to Sanders’s.

I don‘t think it matters as Clinton has had this wrapped up for a long time. Sanders has won a few states, may win one more, but they are all states. Clinton has won more states and all the big ones. Sanders needs a miracle. But he is likely to lose to Clinton in California, the largest state which will seal her victory.

[Absolute_Zero]

Take a hint from Jeb Bush... he's stated that he won't vote for Trump in November. IOW [because he can't be too explicit], he's prepared to tolerate the presumed Hillary over the Donald. Significant numbers of natural Republican supporters will undoubtedly agree. Watch that change if Sanders gets the donkey nomination.

Or rather you won't. Hillary's hold on the superdelegates [523 to 39] makes this discussion all-but academic.

[pogo]

Found a nice pic on WP that shows what I was trying to say in my last post. Although Sanders has won a respectable number of states they are mostly small. Not geographically but in the number of delegates. Clinton meanwhile has mopped won all the largest states, sometimes by wide margins such as in Florida, Texas. She is expected to win the remaining big state California. Sanders needs a massive win, and so a massive swing, there to turn things around.

[F-ZeroOne]

Well, apparently I have an answer to the question I asked earlier; apparently Mr. Trump only fears most Muslims:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36256087

[gumboot]

Take a hint from Jeb Bush... he's stated that he won't vote for Trump in November. IOW [because he can't be too explicit], he's prepared to tolerate the presumed Hillary over the Donald. Significant numbers of natural Republican supporters will undoubtedly agree. Watch that change if Sanders gets the donkey nomination.

Of course, a poll of how Bernie beats Trump is supposed to consider all of those people who would not support (or tolerate) Bernie. If there's a narrative that says that a bunch of Republicans will suddenly step in and vote for Trump if it's Trump versus Bernie, those people should already have been considered in the poll.

It perhaps doesn't reflect so well on Hillary that the GOP establishment can tolerate her. That may well be what makes a number of Bernie supporters support Bernie.


I don't care either way. I'm sure Bernie would have no meaningful impact if elected. It'd just be nice to see that shift in culture which could allow it to happen.

[Darkflame]

Thankfully, the lack of a Mitt Romey presidency shows you cant get someone elected (or someone else not elected) by chucking large sums of money at attack adverts.

. Bernie’s supporters will still support her; once they look closely at her platform they will see it is pretty close to Sanders’s.

While they will almost all support her over Trump, I dont think the selling points of sanders transfer much at all. Unless, since last time I checked, she is also promising to only appointment supreme court justices that will overturn citizen united (for example)
Clinton is the establishment with very strong ties specifically to the financial/political infrastructure which is one of the key points in Sanders rhetoric. (and one of the rare consistent points in trumps).
She might have a lot of some of the same standard meat of policies, but I dont think thats what Burnie supporters are after.

Watch that change if Sanders gets the donkey nomination.

She should also be much more successful at attracting defecting Republicans

What is this thinking based on though? Where does the belief that more will switch to Hillary then will switch to Sanders come from ?

The polls I find - which of course need to be taken with big grains of salt - seem to favor the reverse.
But at best dismissing the polls completely puts it back into a unknown. I cant see much evidence for switching to hill though.