Trump

[gumboot]

I recently got to wondering if Trump actually knows what it means to be president. I don't mean in terms of the "being presidential" aspects, or the import of his actions and words, or anything like that; I mean, what does the president actually do every day, what does the office carry of responsibilities and powers, etc. His talk about what he is going to do makes it sounds an awful lot like he believes the office to be a dictatorship. On top of his already staggering ignorance, I don't think he actually knows what a president is. He's heard a lot about them, to be sure, but what does he actually know?

Isn't the reality a major factor in everybody's disillusionment in politics? If he wants the support of people who are sick of impotent compromise then he'll have to talk like he has an alternative plan.

I can't tell where the stupid starts, though. Is he pandering to profoundly stupid people, or is he sincerely stupid?

[edit]. Wait, that sounds like I might think he's not stupid. That's not the case at all. But I think he should, having done business (even badly) for so long, have at least some idea of how things work.

[Darkflame]

I think its a feedback loop.

[PumaG]

I can't tell where the stupid starts, though. Is he pandering to profoundly stupid people, or is he sincerely stupid?

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pandering to the working classes that we all despise

[Darkflame]

Saying that "ban all muslims entering the country" and "lets build a wall" is "pandering to the working class" is grossly insulting to the working class.

[PumaG]

Saying that "ban all muslims entering the country" and "lets build a wall" is "pandering to the working class" is grossly insulting to the working class.

actually the working classes are the ones pointing out that's he's being misquoted. You've got to wonder whether the left are stupid when they stop, panic, then scream like mad, when they end his Muslim ban quote after only six words. regards to the wall, both the left and right seem unaware that an incredibly big one already exists Who was calling who 'stupid' ?

[pogo]

Trump’s supporters though are not really working class. They are better off than most Americans, comfortably well off on average.

The Mythology Of Trump’s ‘Working Class’ Support

His platform is not designed to appeal to the poor. It’s designed to appeal to racists. Not only is he going after Mexicans, Muslims and Chinese but he is quite deliberately demonising them. Calling Mexicans and Chinese rapists, making up stories about thousands of Muslims celebrating 9/11. And of course there were the attacks on blacks at his rallies that he encouraged. A reasonable person, who knows that Mexicans, Chinese and Muslims are not horrible people, sees Trumps attacks for what they are, racist attacks. The only people able to accept his racist appeals, the ones able to support him wholeheartedly, are racists themselves.

And they tend to be comfortably well off. There are some poor Whites, but the poor in America are predominantly Black and Hispanic. Trump has focussed on more straightforwardly racist policies, but other Republican policies are largely based on maintaining white advantage. E.g. abolishing Obamacare, which has done so much to grow healthcare coverage primarily through subsidies to the low paid and poor. Trump though has been far more explicit in the racism of his policies. And his supporters love him for it.

[gumboot]

I can't tell where the stupid starts, though. Is he pandering to profoundly stupid people, or is he sincerely stupid?

pandering to the working classes that we all despise

Well, it's you who's saying they're working class, and by implication that working class is stupid.

I'm just saying that there are people out there that don't like the real world and that Trump is offering an alternative to that.

[PumaG]

Trump’s supporters though are not really working class. They are better off than most Americans, comfortably well off on average.

The Mythology Of Trump’s ‘Working Class’ Support

His platform is not designed to appeal to the poor. It’s designed to appeal to racists. Not only is he going after Mexicans, Muslims and Chinese but he is quite deliberately demonising them. Calling Mexicans and Chinese rapists, making up stories about thousands of Muslims celebrating 9/11. And of course there were the attacks on blacks at his rallies that he encouraged. A reasonable person, who knows that Mexicans, Chinese and Muslims are not horrible people, sees Trumps attacks for what they are, racist attacks. The only people able to accept his racist appeals, the ones able to support him wholeheartedly, are racists themselves.

And they tend to be comfortably well off. There are some poor Whites, but the poor in America are predominantly Black and Hispanic. Trump has focussed on more straightforwardly racist policies, but other Republican policies are largely based on maintaining white advantage. E.g. abolishing Obamacare, which has done so much to grow healthcare coverage primarily through subsidies to the low paid and poor. Trump though has been far more explicit in the racism of his policies. And his supporters love him for it.

Ive found you posts informative but come off it.... whites are fast becoming the minority in the USA...stupid white racists are a minority pool of voters.
the Blacks attacked at his rallies were from BLM and had caused damage during their marches outside of the rallies, it's also been suggest people are being paid to cause trouble, it's happened in the past.
Liberals are in for a massive shock in 20 years time when 2nd generation migrants become anti-immigration and right leaning.

Why isnt Donald trying to get support from these 'thick as shit whites' to ban Sikhs, Hindus, Jews and Japanese? Surely if we're singing the Liberal tune, then he could have made up any lie about anyone to gain support from the thick racist fuckers, they're not choosy you know.

[PumaG]

I can't tell where the stupid starts, though. Is he pandering to profoundly stupid people, or is he sincerely stupid?

pandering to the working classes that we all despise

Well, it's you who's saying they're working class, and by implication that working class is stupid.

I'm just saying that there are people out there that don't like the real world and that Trump is offering an alternative to that.

I was being sarcastic. I struggle to describe what liberals think, but do see them sometimes describe his support as 'red necks' , that everyone despises right?

Whoever is supporting/voting for trump, has the right to do so and he has the right to rally their support proving he doesn't break the law.

So it seems 50% of Austrians are budding Adolf Hitlers, led by an aircraft engineer to boot, not like the Bullingdon club shit the Uk gets

[gumboot]

You realise its not just "liberals" who have a problem with Trump, right?

[PumaG]

You realise its not just "liberals" who have a problem with Trump, right?

did you watch the video I posted that Ive watched 4 times already of 2 people who arnt liberlas yet did mention a problem they have with Trump (I quoted it too) you do seem to have a one track mind though

Their problem with Trump and why they find him scary is that the corrupt will pull his strings, like me, theyre realistic.

would it help if I just go back to mocking Trump's hairstyle and liking the bombs that Hilary drops?

[pogo]

Ive found you posts informative but come off it.... whites are fast becoming the minority in the USA...stupid white racists are a minority pool of voters.
the Blacks attacked at his rallies were from BLM and had caused damage during their marches outside of the rallies, it's also been suggest people are being paid to cause trouble, it's happened in the past.
Liberals are in for a massive shock in 20 years time when 2nd generation migrants become anti-immigration and right leaning.

Why isnt Donald trying to get support from these 'thick as shit whites' to ban Sikhs, Hindus, Jews and Japanese? Surely if we're singing the Liberal tune, then he could have made up any lie about anyone to gain support from the thick racist fuckers, they're not choosy you know.

Whites are becoming a minority but not yet. They are still in a majority. And they overwhelmingly own the wealth in the country. Yes, racists are a minority of whites. That’s why Trump is likely to lose the election, unless he can radically change his image to broaden his appeal before November.

As for BLM they only started picketing his rallies after the attacks, encouraged by Trump, took place inside. Before that Blacks were attending his rallies. To protest and make a point yes, but peacefully. There is a long tradition of this, of people turning up at public rallies to both support and oppose a politician. Only at Trump’s rallies has this resulted in protestors being attacked, and only Black ones, with Trump condoning the attacks:

Maybe he [the protestor] should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.

[PumaG]

Ive found you posts informative but come off it.... whites are fast becoming the minority in the USA...stupid white racists are a minority pool of voters.
the Blacks attacked at his rallies were from BLM and had caused damage during their marches outside of the rallies, it's also been suggest people are being paid to cause trouble, it's happened in the past.
Liberals are in for a massive shock in 20 years time when 2nd generation migrants become anti-immigration and right leaning.

Why isnt Donald trying to get support from these 'thick as shit whites' to ban Sikhs, Hindus, Jews and Japanese? Surely if we're singing the Liberal tune, then he could have made up any lie about anyone to gain support from the thick racist fuckers, they're not choosy you know.

Whites are becoming a minority but not yet. They are still in a majority. And they overwhelmingly own the wealth in the country. Yes, racists are a minority of whites. That’s why Trump is likely to lose the election, unless he can radically change his image to broaden his appeal before November.

As for BLM they only started picketing his rallies after the attacks, encouraged by Trump, took place inside. Before that Blacks were attending his rallies. To protest and make a point yes, but peacefully. There is a long tradition of this, of people turning up at public rallies to both support and oppose a politician. Only at Trump’s rallies has this resulted in protestors being attacked, and only Black ones, with Trump condoning the attacks:

Maybe he [the protestor] should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.

why make this about colour?

In 20 years another excuse will be needed to get people to agree with you.


Hmmm, not thick as shit Trump supporters.




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and a Trump supporter with a tendency for violence, who isnt white

[PumaG]

21 year old Trump supporter who married a Mexican, shaming "you're a Nazi" liberal banner boy (probably paid for protestor)

[pogo]

why make this about colour?

As Trump is: he is the one making it about race, in many different ways. He has largely ignored the other issues Republicans focus on. He seems uninterested in abortion as an issue and has contradicted himself a couple of times as he makes it up on the fly, not having an actual policy on it. He seems similarly interested in the other culture war shibboleth, “traditional marriage” i.e. denying marriage and other rights to gays.

Not only is Trump focussed on the most racially charged issues, but he has combined them with racist attacks in a very explicit way. Calling Mexicans rapists. Saying Muslims are terrorists. And most ridiculously reducing a complex trade relationship to “China is raping us”. Other Republicans use dog-whistle messaging to attract those with racist sympathies. Trump though bypasses this altogether, going straight to the racism.