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pogo wrote:Exclusive: Trump's 3,500 lawsuits unprecedented for a presidential nominee

Blows holes in his claim he is a great negotiator. If you are a great negotiator it does not end up in court. And it has a more direct implication for his bid for presidency. If any of the 50 or so still open go badly for him he could end up at best distracted, at worst disqualified from running or serving as president.
But that's how he makes deals. If he wants something he threatens someone with litigation.
Thinking on it, this has even worse implications. He may be hoping to use the presidency to escape justice. There’s already a sign of this, when in San Diego recently he rounded on the judge in the Trump University case, falsely accusing him of being Mexican. As president he will be much more able to do this. The presidency is not only is a much stronger platform to make statements from but the president is responsible for appointing judges. Not just Supreme Court ones but a much larger number of federal ones.

So could he use the presidency to undermine the US justice system? Easily. It may even be his main reason for running. He does not care about many of the issues. Certainly not abortion, gay/trans rights, foreign policy. He simply has no interest. Even the border wall, ban on Muslim immigration and rounding up illegal immigrants, designed to appeal to nativist Republicans, are not policies he necessarily believes in. He is after all someone happy to outsource his businesses overseas, employ foreign workers.

I.e. his platform could be one big con. He is really doing it for his own benefit, whether by reducing taxes on billionaires, or by interfering with the courts to get his way in problem cases.
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Nah. It's narcissism. He was the total outsider at the start, remember. The joke candidate, one step behind that bloke with a wellington boot on his head.
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Pretty sure it is to escape justice of some sort. People have speculated on him wanting the presidency so he can veto the sorts of financial regulations aimed at that 2008 mess which could also impede his own business practices; and I understand he has precedent for putting himself in a position of authority where he has the power to not question his own dodgy finances.
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Here’s how she should win.

Going after Trump by focussing on her strengths, his weaknesses. Unfair really to describe them as weaknesses really. It’s not that he is poor at foreign policy, he has no clue about it. He will find it hard to respond to this.
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He will call her a poopy head.
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gumboot wrote:What's the legal position on Trump visiting the UK? Does his hate speech have to be performed within the UK to warrant an arrest?
We'll find out soon. His Royal Trumpness is visiting the UK on the 22nd of June, the day before the EU referendum...
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gumboot wrote:What's the legal position on Trump visiting the UK? Does his hate speech have to be performed within the UK to warrant an arrest?
We'll find out soon. His Royal Trumpness is visiting the UK on the 22nd of June, the day before the EU referendum...
So you read the Guardian then? The others are reporting it's the day after (to open a new Golf course, it creates a few jobs and all that..)

So will those Asian Labour and SNP MPs take him for a Curry and show him the success story of weak borders, like they promised in the .gov petition debate?
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Donald Trump is blatantly racist — and the media is too scared to call him out on it

This is important as before his policies could have had some other basis, individually, although as a whole and with other actions such as associating with white supremacists it was clearly racist. It was hard to point to any one thing though that was unambiguously racist. Not any more.
Mr. Trump said U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel had "an absolute conflict" in presiding over the litigation given that he was "of Mexican heritage" and a member of a Latino lawyers' association. Mr. Trump said the background of the judge, who was born in Indiana to Mexican immigrants, was relevant because of his campaign stance against illegal immigration and his pledge to seal the southern U.S. border. "I'm building a wall. It's an inherent conflict of interest," Mr. Trump said.
I.e. the judge cannot be impartial because he is hispanic, which is simply racist. There is no basis for it in fact. Even worse he uses the fact that he is building a wall and going after illegal immigrants to justify this. He is admitting his policies is racist, or that right minded people such as a judge would see it as such.
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Somehow it still seems that that might be too abstract for Trump supporters to make a clear connection to the reality of the situation.

Even that What's the Deal documentary really doesn't say things in terms that shout "raging maniac fraudster!" in terms I imagine being comprehensible to a Trumper.

I'm not sure if there's anything in the world that could get through to them.

So if the US really does end up with a Trump for a president, what recourse does it have to salvage the situation without having to wait four years?
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pogo wrote:Donald Trump is blatantly racist — and the media is too scared to call him out on it

This is important as before his policies could have had some other basis, individually, although as a whole and with other actions such as associating with white supremacists it was clearly racist. It was hard to point to any one thing though that was unambiguously racist. Not any more.
Mr. Trump said U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel had "an absolute conflict" in presiding over the litigation given that he was "of Mexican heritage" and a member of a Latino lawyers' association. Mr. Trump said the background of the judge, who was born in Indiana to Mexican immigrants, was relevant because of his campaign stance against illegal immigration and his pledge to seal the southern U.S. border. "I'm building a wall. It's an inherent conflict of interest," Mr. Trump said.
I.e. the judge cannot be impartial because he is hispanic, which is simply racist. There is no basis for it in fact. Even worse he uses the fact that he is building a wall and going after illegal immigrants to justify this. He is admitting his policies is racist, or that right minded people such as a judge would see it as such.
According to Maria Chavez survey, 46% of Latino Lawyers have experienced racism in their profession before Trump showed his ugly face, so who was failing them all this time? (and it's a hell of a long time)
So before thinking attacking Trump is the cure, what professionals and politicians will stand up and take responsibility for this?
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gumboot wrote:Somehow it still seems that that might be too abstract for Trump supporters to make a clear connection to the reality of the situation.

Even that What's the Deal documentary really doesn't say things in terms that shout "raging maniac fraudster!" in terms I imagine being comprehensible to a Trumper.

I'm not sure if there's anything in the world that could get through to them.

So if the US really does end up with a Trump for a president, what recourse does it have to salvage the situation without having to wait four years?
Shame the fact that 46% of Latino lawyers have put up with racism for years and years didn't get through to you. So it's taken an oaf like Trump to highlight the issue, hmmmm.
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I don’t think any one politician can take responsibility. America is a very racist place, with the legacy of slavery still lingering a long time after abolition. But Obama has done more than anyone to address this, through his own example, through his careful contributions to the debate on race, and through his actions. Such as appointing Gonzalo Curiel, the judge Trump is slinging racist allegations at, to be a federal judge, or appointing Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court.
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pogo wrote:I don’t think any one politician can take responsibility. America is a very racist place, with the legacy of slavery still lingering a long time after abolition. But Obama has done more than anyone to address this, through his own example, through his careful contributions to the debate on race, and through his actions. Such as appointing Gonzalo Curiel, the judge Trump is slinging racist allegations at, to be a federal judge, or appointing Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court.
That makes me sad due to Slavery never going away in other parts of the world.
With everyone caring so much about other cultures and races these days and looking beyond borders to help, you'd have thought India and Asia would have been helped to abolish it, never mind the tribal hatred in Africa being allowed to continue, with the massacres of 1000's, just recently in Sudan. (an inter-African hatred that actually enabled the salve trade in the first place) It's an incredibly cruel and mad world. Obama could have done something for Africa, instead of shooting expensive missiles (each cost the average US house price) on the middle east.
It kind of puts things into perspective that Trump would obviously not care less about these problems, yet nobody else ever did. America's slavery problem wasn't internal, but only looked after itself. A "me me me" society.
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pogo wrote:Here’s how she should win.

Going after Trump by focussing on her strengths, his weaknesses. Unfair really to describe them as weaknesses really. It’s not that he is poor at foreign policy, he has no clue about it. He will find it hard to respond to this.
And it's also why she should lose... pronouncing Moscow like that. Fuck you Clinton, and fuck you America.
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Rubisco wrote:
pogo wrote:Here’s how she should win.

Going after Trump by focussing on her strengths, his weaknesses. Unfair really to describe them as weaknesses really. It’s not that he is poor at foreign policy, he has no clue about it. He will find it hard to respond to this.
And it's also why she should lose... pronouncing Moscow like that. Fuck you Clinton, and fuck you America.
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