Trump

[pogo]

Some people seem to be under the impression either there were no migration laws for 'Trump's millions' to abide to, OR Clinton is going to abandon the current laws.

Clinton will surely be a continuation of Obama in this, which will mean the dual strategy of trying to achieve comprehensive immigration reform, but if she still has an uncooperative legislature then resorting to executive orders.

Trump’s solution is pure fantasy. It is simply impossible to enforce the law as it stands. It is also intolerable to let the current situation continue. When that is the case then the only option is to reform the law, and deal with the 11m illegal immigrants more intelligently and humanely. E.g. offering a path to citizenship to those who pass certain criteria, such as having come here as children.

Problem is reform always dies in the House, as Republicans refuse to let any reasonable law pass. So Clinton may have to rely on executive orders. At least soon after becoming president she should be able to fill the vacant seat on the Supreme Court bench, which will make it easier to fend off legal challenges to such orders.

[PumaG]

Anyone want to rip this apart?



I reckon people will feel it's a bit strong.

Meanwhile the others are wheeling out the tiring understatement " This is an act of terror" and the President himself "an attack on all Americans"

trouble is the attacker was an American Citizen, born and bred, but had horrendous belief system and values. A civil war now then? Can we bring the troops home?

[Darkflame]

So whats so useful or different about Trumps statement?
Isn't "praying" what all the politicians (who dont want to piss of the NRA) are always saying?

[PumaG]

So whats so useful or different about Trumps statement?
Isn't "praying" what all the politicians (who dont want to piss of the NRA) are always saying?

Obviously.
What about "get smart" "get tough" ? in-between massacres he's called a racist bully for harsh words.

[gumboot]

Quite surprised he couldn't find something more crass to say, actually. Maybe he's still working on it. See what comes out in the next excuse-for-a-riot, maybe.

[Darkflame]

I don't see how this tweet changes or contradicts Trumps general attitude:?

Are you saying there is a double standard? Because this tweet doesn't seem directed at anyone, nor racist/bigoted/sexiest etc.
Unless I am missing something, it seems just a general criticism of lack of action in general, and there's nothing wrong with that.But one reasonable tweet doesn't undo say, "How can Hillary satisfying the country when she cant satisfy her husband" crap.

[PumaG]

Quite surprised he couldn't find something more crass to say, actually. Maybe he's still working on it. See what comes out in the next excuse-for-a-riot, maybe.

America is at war with itself now. Trump also tweeted 'this is just the beginning', which might be so, but this isn't what any of his proposals can solve, so he may as well sit back and keep his mouth shut. This is a civil war on terror and hatred, the hatred is internal and growing. The sad thing is there will be mugs who think the government protects them for their support and taxes. How many people put French flags on their facebook last year? and now look how lousy the French security is at the Euros.

Check out the political points scoring from the world leaders. 50 deaths is nothing compared to the regular attacks in the middle east and Africa. I'm alright Jack.

[PumaG]

I don't see how this tweet changes or contradicts Trumps general attitude:?

Are you saying there is a double standard? Because this tweet doesn't seem directed at anyone, nor racist/bigoted/sexiest etc.
Unless I am missing something, it seems just a general criticism of lack of action in general, and there's nothing wrong with that.But one reasonable tweet doesn't undo say, "How can Hillary satisfying the country when she cant satisfy her husband" crap.

yes Im comparing the reactions and Trump's appears the most stable of the top brass.
The Orlando mayor.. "the guys an Animal" " this is the new face of terror" quite Trumpesque no? Ive said all along Trump is a product of America, he's not the only American capable of shouting his mouth and looking a bully.

So another gun-state gets tightened up, that wont stop this internal hatred.

[F-ZeroOne]

Tell me, when someone went on a rampage in Norway in a similar incident a few years back, did anyone propose banning all white people and Odinists from entering Norway?

[F-ZeroOne]

I don't see how this tweet changes or contradicts Trumps general attitude:?

Are you saying there is a double standard? Because this tweet doesn't seem directed at anyone, nor racist/bigoted/sexiest etc.

"Smart, tough and vigilant", considering the source, could be translated as being a reference to a certain candidates proposals.

[PumaG]

Tell me, when someone went on a rampage in Norway in a similar incident a few years back, did anyone propose banning all white people and Odinists from entering Norway?

Try and keep up. This was an American attacking Americans. Nobody is talking about Colour. America already has very tight visa entry rules, drop them all tomorrow nothing changes.
This is an internal problem Trump can't cure. Theres some irony in the fact that CIA will be flying abroad next week to meddle in other countries business, on the obscenely large home defence budget. What a mess.

[F-ZeroOne]

Okay, PumaG, I'm honestly not actually sure what you're arguing for anymore.

By the way, when I made my most recent posts I hadn't seen the latest claims from IS about responsibility for the attack, assuming of course that they're not just jumping on an opportunity. I understand from the reports that the perpetrator claimed to be acting on their behalf.

Edit: the US media are stating that was the content of his call, the authorities are only stating that a call was made, not the content.

[PumaG]

Okay, PumaG, I'm honestly not actually sure what you're arguing for anymore.

By the way, when I made my most recent posts I hadn't seen the latest claims from IS about responsibility for the attack, assuming of course that they're not just jumping on an opportunity. I understand from the reports that the perpetrator claimed to be acting on their behalf.

Whether he's a zombie working for IS or genuinely hated gay people, America's problem is that it is breeding terrorists and these attacks will have to be tolerated. Yet the vibe is that its someone elses fault. "this is an attack on Americans" surely an offensive statement by the President for those looking at every one of Trump's words for offence the last 6 weeks.? When the (White if you insist) ) Norwegian attacked Norway, did they say this is an attack on Norway?

[PumaG]

Edit: the US media are stating that was the content of his call, the authorities are only stating that a call was made, not the content.

The US have pretty much nurtured ISIS since the suspicious events at Tora Bora allowing Al Qaeda off the hook.

[SuperMappy]