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gumboot wrote:
Little stoned kiwi wrote:
gumboot wrote:The theme here is how much worse Trump could do, above and beyond the awfulness of your average politician.
Not much. If elected it will still be business as usual for lifelong bureaucrats who make up the slow grinding gears of government.
That may well be so, but what about the productive businesspeople who make their money through fraud and corruption? Or those who wish to see a president sympathetic to their own prejudices and xenophobia for vindication of their own opinions through the popular vote? Those who are angry and looking for any justification to lash out violently?

Things would definitely be looking good under Trump for some of people.

Ironically it was those businesses who were funding other candidates running against Trump. Trump was supposedly untouchable due to being self-funded.
The biggest business on earth is the arms industry. Trump's and any potential mates who want to scratch his back are a drop in the Ocean.
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funkstar wrote:
gumboot wrote:Quite surprised he couldn't find something more crass to say, actually. Maybe he's still working on it.
Oh, look: he did find something more crass to say. I can't remember which analysis it was (The Andrew Sullivan piece? Or even somewhere in this thread?) that described a nightmare scenario with an islamist terrorist attack leading to such increased support for Trump that he beats Clinton. But, come on: the man is openly congratulating himself over this.

So, yeah. That happened.
Crock of shit.
Yet another article claiming that Trump's first reactions were self-congratualion, when it wasn't. I posted his first tweet here in context to others calling the attacker an 'Animal' and 'new face if terror' and the usual 'an attack on all Americans' . I pointed out the attacker was American, but the blinkered cant see my point. The ignorance here is bad as Trumps. Figures really when the Mateen's attitude is sheltered by liberal hypocrites.

Americans supporting either Clinton or Trump deserve better journalism than they're being fed.

"but he was a New York-born American citizen who spoke unaccented English and led a middle-class life"

In a shit apartment with a shit low paid job? Raised by an immigrant who doesn't appear to particularly like America and who wants god to punish Lesbians and gays. Very middle class!
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Re: Trump

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k345y wrote:
PumaG wrote:
k345y wrote:
PumaG wrote:
Dont mean to be rude, but if you and other blinkered people understood my points I'd be offended.
Define blinkered...is it folks that just disagree with you, those unaware of certain facts that only almighty knowledgeable you knows; us great ignorant horde that appear to disgust you ?

Really need to ease that pole out your fucking arse a bit mate.
WTF?
Ive stated twice now that I've found Pogo's posts informative (to mention one) . He has constantly put me right in this thread regards to US politics without me resorting to your childish attitude, towards him. So would you like to explain that remark?

I defined blinkered using Merman's post as an example. Your the first poster here to tell another what to do, yet cant mange to keep up.

Both you and phattslag have got yourselves upset because I haven't towed the liberal line here basically.

What's remarkable is that this thread is as good as non-existant, yet you and others have used it to feel good about yourselves by attacking Trump (or me).
I asked before how many others here have actually written to their MPs regarding similar concerns in the past, it appears noone. 46% of Mexicans had experienced racism at work before Trump ran, but nothing. Only 200 Canadians wrote to the foreign affairs office regarding the Rwandan genocide, well over 2 million actively opposing Trump on social media because they fear another genocide. Then you've tried to make this about you :roll:

FYI I have nothing against 'the LGBT community' and yes the pic of Omar's old man came out rather large (I just copied the link) I'll happily apologise if its those two things that have upset you, otherwise how about just avoiding the thread? or preferably any other that I post in given your last crass attempt at put down.

Geez, take a fucking pill mate ffs.

I'd also like to see where I make myself feel good by attacking Trump and why are you prattling on about the LGBT ? You seem to have missed the entire point of the post...your perceived little bit of snobbery with this statement...."if you and other blinkered people understood my points I'd be offended."
Honestly, you do still need to take the pole out your backend by spewing that type of shit.

Maybe if I get active and 'write to my MP' things will change :lol:
Bollocks. I was reacting to a poster who felt the need to make an announcement to the forum, that he didn't know what the fuck I was on about. Right under a post spreading mis-information. That's why he's blinkered. If you're happy with that style just say so. You ask me to explain my blinkered comment and I have twice now, but all you've done in return is make personal attacks

With our argument now being sandwiched between another poster showing a link to a crock of shit piece of journalism . Shall I explain blinkered for you again?
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Re: Trump

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Trump’s blaming Obama for the attack:

Trump Suggests Obama Sympathetic to Islamic Terrorists
“Look, we’re led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he’s got something else in mind,” Mr. Trump said on Fox. “And the something else in mind — you know, people can’t believe it. People cannot, they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the way he acts and can’t even mention the words ‘radical Islamic terrorism.’ There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable. There’s something going on.”

Mr. Trump, who in a statement Sunday called for Mr. Obama to resign his office over the shooting, then added: “He doesn’t get it or he gets it better than anybody understands. It’s one or the other and neither one is acceptable.”
Worth unpicking this. The “something else in mind” is Trump resurrecting his conspiracy theories. That Obama does not deserve to be president as he’s not really an American, is secretly a Kenyan and a Muslim. Problem is there is, and always has been, no evidence of these theories. Still a significant minority of Republicans believe them though, most of them Trump supporters. So this plays well to his base.

The “not tough, not smart” makes a little more sense, politically. But if you are going to argue that you need to say what e.g. you would have done better. Trump does not have a policy that would have made any difference.

Banning Muslims entering the US? The shooter was a US citizen. Prosecute the war on terror better? The US has been successful here in taking out leaders and stunting their military effectiveness. Short of sending in ground troops there is not much more they could do. Make it easier for people to defend themselves with guns? Actually there were armed security guards in the club. It did not make any difference. Only a fool thinks the problem in America is not enough guns, all the evidence shows the opposite.

Clinton and the Democrats have better policies here, including better background checks on gun buyers and limiting access to military grade weapons. And these policies are popular: most people, even most gun owners, support better background checks. The problem has always been Republican majorities in Congress and the courts, in particular the Supreme Court, interpreting the 2nd Amendment in ways its drafters probably did not intend. But the court and maybe even Congress should have liberal majorities by next year.
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PumaG wrote:
k345y wrote:
PumaG wrote:
k345y wrote:
PumaG wrote:
Dont mean to be rude, but if you and other blinkered people understood my points I'd be offended.
Define blinkered...is it folks that just disagree with you, those unaware of certain facts that only almighty knowledgeable you knows; us great ignorant horde that appear to disgust you ?

Really need to ease that pole out your fucking arse a bit mate.
WTF?
Ive stated twice now that I've found Pogo's posts informative (to mention one) . He has constantly put me right in this thread regards to US politics without me resorting to your childish attitude, towards him. So would you like to explain that remark?

I defined blinkered using Merman's post as an example. Your the first poster here to tell another what to do, yet cant mange to keep up.

Both you and phattslag have got yourselves upset because I haven't towed the liberal line here basically.

What's remarkable is that this thread is as good as non-existant, yet you and others have used it to feel good about yourselves by attacking Trump (or me).
I asked before how many others here have actually written to their MPs regarding similar concerns in the past, it appears noone. 46% of Mexicans had experienced racism at work before Trump ran, but nothing. Only 200 Canadians wrote to the foreign affairs office regarding the Rwandan genocide, well over 2 million actively opposing Trump on social media because they fear another genocide. Then you've tried to make this about you :roll:

FYI I have nothing against 'the LGBT community' and yes the pic of Omar's old man came out rather large (I just copied the link) I'll happily apologise if its those two things that have upset you, otherwise how about just avoiding the thread? or preferably any other that I post in given your last crass attempt at put down.

Geez, take a fucking pill mate ffs.

I'd also like to see where I make myself feel good by attacking Trump and why are you prattling on about the LGBT ? You seem to have missed the entire point of the post...your perceived little bit of snobbery with this statement...."if you and other blinkered people understood my points I'd be offended."
Honestly, you do still need to take the pole out your backend by spewing that type of shit.

Maybe if I get active and 'write to my MP' things will change :lol:
Bollocks. I was reacting to a poster who felt the need to make an announcement to the forum, that he didn't know what the fuck I was on about. Right under a post spreading mis-information. That's why he's blinkered. If you're happy with that style just say so. You ask me to explain my blinkered comment and I have twice now, but all you've done in return is make personal attacks

With our argument now being sandwiched between another poster showing a link to a crock of shit piece of journalism . Shall I explain blinkered for you again?

I didn't ask you to explain blinkered.
Re-read my post if it helps.
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pogo wrote:Trump’s blaming Obama for the attack:

The “not tough, not smart” makes a little more sense, politically. But if you are going to argue that you need to say what e.g. you would have done better. Trump does not have a policy that would have made any difference.
This is home grown, based on previous policy. I think it goes without saying that Trump and his supporters wouldn't have wanted the hate filled Mateens welcomed to America, let alone nurturing their twisted views in their American offspring.
Banning Muslims entering the US? The shooter was a US citizen. Prosecute the war on terror better? The US has been successful here in taking out leaders and stunting their military effectiveness. Short of sending in ground troops there is not much more they could do. Make it easier for people to defend themselves with guns?
Given that America pretty much enabled the birth of ISIS and welcomed people with a horrendous belief system that was incompatible with their own western values, I can't understand why anyone is bothering to look elsewhere for a solution other than in the mirror.

It seems that Omar was guided to university and studied well, yet ended up with a shit low paid job, a marriage that lasted less than a year leaving a single parent, who's wife has suggested he was unstable. perhaps through a dysfunctional family? hardly uncommon in America, yet he was also fuelled with a cultural led hatred of other Americans.
Actually there were armed security guards in the club. It did not make any difference. Only a fool thinks the problem in America is not enough guns, all the evidence shows the opposite.
Actually, there was one guard with a handgun.

The excrement website Politico, is entertaining the idea that gays should now arm themselves. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ica-213961

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k345y wrote:

I didn't ask you to explain blinkered.
Re-read my post if it helps.
k345y wrote:
Define blinkered.
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PumaG wrote:
k345y wrote:

I didn't ask you to explain blinkered.
Re-read my post if it helps.
k345y wrote:
Define blinkered.
Define blinkered in your context of your statement not explain the definition.
All I can see in the way you put it across is an arrogant my view is right all others are blinkered attitude.
Let's not worry about it.
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This is from a couple of weeks ago but is very pertinent now; Obama at a town hall event answering a question on guns.

I suspect many on the left in America look at e.g. the laws here and secretly wish they could ban guns. But they know that is politically impossible, and even proposing it would drive many voters into the arms of NRA-backed Republicans. So they instead focus on a couple of issues. Better background checks, as the ones that exist are ineffective and easily worked around. And allowing research into gun safety, currently banned by Congress (it’s not that they won’t fund it, they actually passed a law banning all research into gun safety).

It is ridiculous that people under suspicion of being ISIS supporters can be banned from flying (the no-fly list) but can’t be banned from buying guns. And not just handguns but military assault weapons, the law does not distinguish between them. It is just as ridiculous that significant resources are invested in investigating car safety, product safety, drug safety, but research into gun safety is off limits.

And it‘s ridiculous to blame Obama or Clinton for this, when it is Republicans backed by the NRA who stop reasonable measures being introduced that could stop some extremists getting guns, and stop research into gun safety even happening.
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One day, perhaps someone shall take America back from the NRA's cold dead hands.
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This shooter was investigated for terrorist links by the FBI on two occasions.

Republicans in Congress blocked a bill preventing anyone on a terrorist watch list from buying guns.

Don't ban Muslims from entering America. Throw the Republicans out.
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Just saw Colbert where he interviewed Bill OReilly.
Even he thinks congress should look into banning some types of weapons.

(I also noted the interview conveniently didn't raise anything oreilly has previously stated about gay rights. That might have been for the best at a sensitive time and to make the interview productive. But still, any figure head pushing the idea of Homosexuals as not deserving of the same rights should be challenged if they start to talk about ideological wars by others.)
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PumaG wrote: Given that America pretty much enabled the birth of ISIS and welcomed people with a horrendous belief system that was incompatible with their own western values,
Who has america "welcomed" then?
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