Trump

[F-ZeroOne]

[merman]

So now senior Republicans, including a former adviser to Jeb Bush, are openly saying they will vote for Hillary over Trump.

And I see he's getting his excuses in early, claiming the election will be "rigged" against him - while more than one Republican state is being investigated for removing black voters from its register.

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Hahahe the ginger crusted wanker just threw a baby out of his rally

[pogo]

This has been widely reported but it’s worth watching for yourself: Obama making the case against Trump, in a considered and detailed way. In particular making it clear this is not a party partisan issue, it is uniquely about Trump.

It highlights Republicans’ impossible position. Obama could not do this earlier as Trump was not candidate and he would have been accused of interfering in the primary process. But it’s far too late for Republicans to do get rid of him. They face the horrible choice of condemning him and splitting the party, or sticking with him and being associated with every appalling statement that comes out of his mouth/appears on his Twitter feed.

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This has been widely reported but it’s worth watching for yourself: Obama making the case against Trump, in a considered and detailed way. In particular making it clear this is not a party partisan issue, it is uniquely about Trump.

It highlights Republicans’ impossible position. Obama could not do this earlier as Trump was not candidate and he would have been accused of interfering in the primary process. But it’s far too late for Republicans to do get rid of him. They face the horrible choice of condemning him and splitting the party, or sticking with him and being associated with every appalling statement that comes out of his mouth/appears on his Twitter feed.

Bit hypocritical given that it's his fuckups that created the space for a Trump to get in. He should be asking himself how he's managed to leave so many disaffected people in his wake.

[funkstar]

So.... what you're saying is: Thanks, Obama!

[pogo]

Bit hypocritical given that it's his fuckups that created the space for a Trump to get in. He should be asking himself how he's managed to leave so many disaffected people in his wake.

Nonsense. If anyone is to blame for Trump it’s the Republican party, as I highlighted here:

http://www.yakyak.org/viewtopic.php?p=1654395#p1654395

and subsequently linked to another explainer:

How the ‘Stupid Party’ Created Donald Trump

The disaffected people were created by the Republican party. Largely it’s Republicans failure to deliver any welfare improvements to their voters: poor, not college educated, whites. The reason for this is simple: Republican priorities are actually tax cuts and other benefits for the rich, at the expense of poor Americans who suffer the poor services and infrastructure that provides.

It’s hard to blame Democrats for this as they are not the problem. Democrats want to spend more on healthcare for the poor, on education, on welfare. So Republicans settled on the genius strategy of blaming other Republicans. Initially it was just blaming “Washington”, but eventually it became a conflict within the Republican party. This was true in 2008, when McCain felt obliged to pick Sarah Palin as VP to please the Tea Party, It was true in 2012 when a contentious and bruising contest picked a weak candidate, Mitt Romney.

And Romney was the prototype for Trump, another billionaire, chosen for his business skills, though he did have some political experience (a governor of some state). Trump is just a much worse version of Romney, with a worse business record, but mostly with a personality totally unsuited to elected office.

[PFVA]

I gather that if Trump is elected he will be impeached in the first 6 months.

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Has Trump been compared to Spiro Agnew yet?

Agnew should probably sue.

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Bit hypocritical given that it's his fuckups that created the space for a Trump to get in. He should be asking himself how he's managed to leave so many disaffected people in his wake.

It's Obama's fault that there's a lot of thick people about?

[pogo]

Joe Scarborough: Trump repeatedly asked a foreign policy expert ‘why can’t we use’ nukes

[pogo]

Trump and his supporters have been saying if he loses the poll could be rigged:

Roger Stone on The Milo Show: How Trump Can Fight Voter Fraud

I have no doubt that after the last election, when Karl Rove, who was George Bush’s campaign manager and a Romney partisan, insisted that ‘no no, your numbers have to be wrong,’ he said on Fox, ‘Romney definitely carried Ohio,’ and the reason he was so certain is because it was bought and paid for. He knew the fix was supposed to be in. Therefore I can only conclude that sometimes things don’t stay bought, and perhaps Obama came in with a better offer.

Which I think clarifies where this is coming from. There is election fraud, but it’s done by Republicans. They use their dominance of state legislatures to gerrymander congressional districts and pass laws that make it harder for Blacks and other Democrat leaning groups to vote: voter registration laws that require some sort of ID that poor people are less likely to gave for example.

It doesn’t work well at that level though, as if you make it hard for people to vote it just motivates them more to make the effort, helped by politicians and activists. Which may be why they lose states like Ohio even after their efforts to rig things. Since civil rights it’s no longer legal to outright ban people from voting based on their skin colour (it happened before, so up to the 1960s).

The wider point is Trump’s claim that if he loses then the process is rigged is a very dangerous claim. Democracy relies on everyone involved accepting how the process works, participating fully and fairly, then quickly accepting the result when it is clear who has won. Trump has benefitted from this so far, in particular in his not being blocked from becoming Republican candidate. He cannot now declare he thinks it’s rigged just because he is unsurprisingly losing.

[merman]

Trump and his supporters have been saying if he loses the poll could be rigged:

Roger Stone on The Milo Show: How Trump Can Fight Voter Fraud

I have no doubt that after the last election, when Karl Rove, who was George Bush’s campaign manager and a Romney partisan, insisted that ‘no no, your numbers have to be wrong,’ he said on Fox, ‘Romney definitely carried Ohio,’ and the reason he was so certain is because it was bought and paid for. He knew the fix was supposed to be in. Therefore I can only conclude that sometimes things don’t stay bought, and perhaps Obama came in with a better offer.

Which I think clarifies where this is coming from. There is election fraud, but it’s done by Republicans. They use their dominance of state legislatures to gerrymander congressional districts and pass laws that make it harder for Blacks and other Democrat leaning groups to vote: voter registration laws that require some sort of ID that poor people are less likely to gave for example.

It doesn’t work well at that level though, as if you make it hard for people to vote it just motivates them more to make the effort, helped by politicians and activists. Which may be why they lose states like Ohio even after their efforts to rig things. Since civil rights it’s no longer legal to outright ban people from voting based on their skin colour (it happened before, so up to the 1960s).

The wider point is Trump’s claim that if he loses then the process is rigged is a very dangerous claim. Democracy relies on everyone involved accepting how the process works, participating fully and fairly, then quickly accepting the result when it is clear who has won. Trump has benefitted from this so far, in particular in his not being blocked from becoming Republican candidate. He cannot now declare he thinks it’s rigged just because he is unsurprisingly losing.

Fucking hell pogo, do you even READ posts in the threads you smear your shit all over?
Look up a few posts, bellend.

[pogo]

Er, yes, and what is your problem? I just thought it an interesting example of where such thinking is coming from. I think I vaguely remember that particular episode four years ago, at some point when the first results were coming in, and Rove could not believe Romney was losing. The odd thing is the polls were predicting the Obama win. It’s not like here in 2015, when the result was very different to the polls.

in 2008 and 2012 Republicans lost in part to Democrats’ superior ground game: their local activists, their intelligence gathering expertise, their targeted advertising, mailshots and phone calls. Part of that was probably Democrats’ better polling. And it’s even worse for them now as Trump has almost no organisation and little money for a ground game, which is important as the election becomes a state-by-state battle.

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It's Obama's fault that there's a lot of thick people about?

It's Obama's fault he didn't buy them all an icecream, obviously.