The fact that Trump won the Republican primaries suggests that the majority of Republican support comes from knuckle-dragging fucktards. So doesn't this raise unavoidable questions about how marginal Republican policy must be if those people are what it relies on to keep its numbers anywhere near 50%?
I mean... aside from the blatantly self-interested fiscal policy, he's practically a Democrat[*], yet Republicans still support him.
[*] most of what he is is neither Republican nor Democrat, but simply a dickhead.
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A Sassy Trump version of Donald Trump reading a poem.
If you watch the whole thing well done. It is grotesquely horrible. But it’s also fascinating. Trump seems to think the poem/song is as message about immigrants. Let them in and they will turn on you. But it seems far apt as a description of a deceptive individual, a charismatic person who uses their charm and lies to be accepted. Such as be accepted as Republican candidate for president. I.e. it describes Trump better than anyone. He has so little self awareness though that he does not see this.
But he should not be doing it anyway. Quoting single lines of songs and poems is ok, if used sparingly. But reading out a whole poem? Especially an allegorical one open to interpretation. Is he so bored with the process he is trying to make it interesting for himself?
If you watch the whole thing well done. It is grotesquely horrible. But it’s also fascinating. Trump seems to think the poem/song is as message about immigrants. Let them in and they will turn on you. But it seems far apt as a description of a deceptive individual, a charismatic person who uses their charm and lies to be accepted. Such as be accepted as Republican candidate for president. I.e. it describes Trump better than anyone. He has so little self awareness though that he does not see this.
But he should not be doing it anyway. Quoting single lines of songs and poems is ok, if used sparingly. But reading out a whole poem? Especially an allegorical one open to interpretation. Is he so bored with the process he is trying to make it interesting for himself?
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The poem's wrong anyway.
The snake was venomous, not poisonous.
To describe a snake - or frog or mushroom or whatever - as "poisonous" means that it's inedible. That it's toxic to consume. Do not eat.
Whereas when a snake - or a spider or whatever - has the natural weapon of spraying or, through its bite, injecting venom into its victims, then it is "venomous". It's armed and dangerous. Do not approach.
(It is, of course, possible for something to be both "poisonous" and "venomous" at the same time. But all venomous snakes are not poisonous, except for one exception, which is the Asian Tiger snake. And, actually, even the Asian Tiger snake is only poisonous because it consumes the local poisonous toads and uses their toxin to make itself poisonous. Given an alternative diet that excludes these poisonous toads, even the Asian Tiger snake can be eaten, as it does not produce the poison itself, but "borrows" it from the toads it eats. So if transplanted to a country - such as America - where there aren't any of those poisonous toads nearby for it to eat, the snake won't be poisonous either.
Otherwise, feel free to eat snake meat, as many cultures do, because they aren't poisonous, even if they are venomous. Indeed, other than the mentioned exception, it's usually the case that if something is venomous, it ain't poisonous. Because the point of being poisonous is to stop things eating you. But if you're venomous then predators would largely stay away from you anyway, so there's typically not much point - little evolutionary pressure - to be both simultaneously, as nothing dares come near you, for fear of the venomous bite.)
The snake was venomous, not poisonous.
To describe a snake - or frog or mushroom or whatever - as "poisonous" means that it's inedible. That it's toxic to consume. Do not eat.
Whereas when a snake - or a spider or whatever - has the natural weapon of spraying or, through its bite, injecting venom into its victims, then it is "venomous". It's armed and dangerous. Do not approach.
(It is, of course, possible for something to be both "poisonous" and "venomous" at the same time. But all venomous snakes are not poisonous, except for one exception, which is the Asian Tiger snake. And, actually, even the Asian Tiger snake is only poisonous because it consumes the local poisonous toads and uses their toxin to make itself poisonous. Given an alternative diet that excludes these poisonous toads, even the Asian Tiger snake can be eaten, as it does not produce the poison itself, but "borrows" it from the toads it eats. So if transplanted to a country - such as America - where there aren't any of those poisonous toads nearby for it to eat, the snake won't be poisonous either.
Otherwise, feel free to eat snake meat, as many cultures do, because they aren't poisonous, even if they are venomous. Indeed, other than the mentioned exception, it's usually the case that if something is venomous, it ain't poisonous. Because the point of being poisonous is to stop things eating you. But if you're venomous then predators would largely stay away from you anyway, so there's typically not much point - little evolutionary pressure - to be both simultaneously, as nothing dares come near you, for fear of the venomous bite.)
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Re: Trump
Trump's trying to appeal to black voters.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37135836
His message? "Seeing as all of you are living in poverty, with shit schools, what have you got to lose?".
Even ignoring that he's got endorsements from white supremacists, which took him days to reject, amidst blatant lies that he didn't even know David Duke - despite video footage of him talking about the guy directly in a past interview and clearly knowing exactly who he was - Trump's so racist, he doesn't even realise he's doing it.
All black voters are living in poverty? Every single one of them? None of them have anything to lose?
He's appealing to a racist stereotype in his head of all black people being drug dealers living in the ghettos, and he actually thinks this is a good way to engage with them to get their votes.
And what sort of sales pitch is "what have you got to lose?" anyway?
In other words, "your life is shit and you've got fuck all and your schools suck because there's institutional racism everywhere, so it's not like voting for me could make it any worse, right?". Wow, such a glowing self-endorsement there.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37135836
His message? "Seeing as all of you are living in poverty, with shit schools, what have you got to lose?".
Even ignoring that he's got endorsements from white supremacists, which took him days to reject, amidst blatant lies that he didn't even know David Duke - despite video footage of him talking about the guy directly in a past interview and clearly knowing exactly who he was - Trump's so racist, he doesn't even realise he's doing it.
All black voters are living in poverty? Every single one of them? None of them have anything to lose?
He's appealing to a racist stereotype in his head of all black people being drug dealers living in the ghettos, and he actually thinks this is a good way to engage with them to get their votes.
And what sort of sales pitch is "what have you got to lose?" anyway?
In other words, "your life is shit and you've got fuck all and your schools suck because there's institutional racism everywhere, so it's not like voting for me could make it any worse, right?". Wow, such a glowing self-endorsement there.
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It’s even worse than that. His speech at the RNC was a law and order speech. His message was that crime is out of control and only he can fix it. Of course that is nonsense: crime has fallen dramatically in the US and Trump has no policies to deal with it anyway.
But such speeches have another message, a racist one. For whites “law and order” is code for keeping Black people in their place. Blacks hear a white man promising to maintain and expand a system which oppresses them in their own country. He hasn’t targeted Blacks explicitly as he has Mexicans, Muslims and Chinese. He does not need to. The message is clear to anyone familiar with race relations in the USA.
That’s why he has only 1% or 2% support among Blacks. And that’s a big problem, as his support among whites is not strong enough to overcome it. He is supported by most high-school educated whites, but not college-educated ones. And it splits along gender lines too, with his support much stronger among men than with women.
To be fair it’s not just Trump. This has been creeping up on Republicans for decades. Their strategy of appealing primarily to high-school white males made a lot more sense 40 years ago. But demographics has slowly shifted against them. Doubling down on the strategy has not worked as it stirs up the base but also motivates the other side. Blacks turned out in higher numbers to vote than whites in 2012, for the first time ever.
But such speeches have another message, a racist one. For whites “law and order” is code for keeping Black people in their place. Blacks hear a white man promising to maintain and expand a system which oppresses them in their own country. He hasn’t targeted Blacks explicitly as he has Mexicans, Muslims and Chinese. He does not need to. The message is clear to anyone familiar with race relations in the USA.
That’s why he has only 1% or 2% support among Blacks. And that’s a big problem, as his support among whites is not strong enough to overcome it. He is supported by most high-school educated whites, but not college-educated ones. And it splits along gender lines too, with his support much stronger among men than with women.
To be fair it’s not just Trump. This has been creeping up on Republicans for decades. Their strategy of appealing primarily to high-school white males made a lot more sense 40 years ago. But demographics has slowly shifted against them. Doubling down on the strategy has not worked as it stirs up the base but also motivates the other side. Blacks turned out in higher numbers to vote than whites in 2012, for the first time ever.
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So Trump’s repeated references to violence, carried out by him or his supporters? Seems some have been taking him literally.
Washington man stabs kissing interracial couple, cites Donald Trump when arrested
And that’s the second this week, after someone wearing a Donald Trump “Make America Great Again” cap went on a small killing and cannibalism spree in Florida.
No-one yet has followed up on his suggestion to target Clinton, but still plenty of time to go until the election.
Washington man stabs kissing interracial couple, cites Donald Trump when arrested
And that’s the second this week, after someone wearing a Donald Trump “Make America Great Again” cap went on a small killing and cannibalism spree in Florida.
No-one yet has followed up on his suggestion to target Clinton, but still plenty of time to go until the election.
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you cant just mention 'and cannibalism' casually like that.
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you cant just mention 'and cannibalism' casually like that.
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Especially in regards to "bath salts"...
Lie with passion and be forever damned...
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Theres a rather boring reason for all the nutty story's coming out of Florida. Its more fun to imagine the place is just full of weirdos though.gumboot wrote:You can if it's in Florida.Darkflame wrote:...
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you cant just mention 'and cannibalism' casually like that.
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“What Do You Have To Lose?”
This is Trump’s message to Blacks: your lives suck, so you need new leadership. What have you got to lose, voting for me?
This is wrong on so many levels. First it’s delivered to a white audience. Chances are he would get a less enthusiastic welcome from a Black one, but he should at least try. But his audience is not really Blacks, just moderate whites to persuade them he’s not the racist monster he really is.
And what is his policy? How will electing Trump help them? He is silent on this, for good reason, as his policies such as they are will only make things worse for Blacks. His suggestion that problems can be solved by making police stronger (how?), his many racist policies that can only make things worse for non-whites.
And things have been getting better for Blacks. Just Obama being president has helped in many ways, while on his watch there has been improvements in many areas, in particular criminal justice. How much of this has been due to Obama is open to debate, but Blacks are not stupid. They know there is still a lot to do, and Clinton is the only one willing to do it. In particular they know the next appointees to the Supreme Court will be crucial, and the next president will appoint at least one, maybe more. That’s why they are all, to within a rounding error, voting for Clinton.
This is Trump’s message to Blacks: your lives suck, so you need new leadership. What have you got to lose, voting for me?
This is wrong on so many levels. First it’s delivered to a white audience. Chances are he would get a less enthusiastic welcome from a Black one, but he should at least try. But his audience is not really Blacks, just moderate whites to persuade them he’s not the racist monster he really is.
And what is his policy? How will electing Trump help them? He is silent on this, for good reason, as his policies such as they are will only make things worse for Blacks. His suggestion that problems can be solved by making police stronger (how?), his many racist policies that can only make things worse for non-whites.
And things have been getting better for Blacks. Just Obama being president has helped in many ways, while on his watch there has been improvements in many areas, in particular criminal justice. How much of this has been due to Obama is open to debate, but Blacks are not stupid. They know there is still a lot to do, and Clinton is the only one willing to do it. In particular they know the next appointees to the Supreme Court will be crucial, and the next president will appoint at least one, maybe more. That’s why they are all, to within a rounding error, voting for Clinton.