Trump

[Darkflame]

"Consolidate your evil into one easy manageable rally"
or
"Farage shows up at Trump rally. Vocabulary doubles."

[merman]

So millionaire who inherited billions, and privately educated City broker, are anti-establishment?

Dumb and Dumber.

[PFVA]

Nxt invitee will be Marine Le Pen?

[F-ZeroOne]

They deserve each other. The rest of us, don't.

[pogo]

Clinton on Trump. It’s a bit long to recommend you watch it all, but it‘s a good and important speech, one where she hones in on the many reasons Trump is unfit to be president, thoroughly demolishing him but without descending into exaggeration, fabrication or sensationalisation. She takes him on but does not do it by becoming him.


Vox summarises it quite well, highlighting one sentence from it:

It all culminated in one brutal paragraph in which Clinton managed to hit on many of the key themes of her address: "A man with a long history of racial discrimination, who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far reaches of the internet, should never run our government or command our military."

This short passage stitched together so many of Clinton’s main attacks today against the Republican nominee — that Trump’s business career involved racial exploitation; that his worldview is rooted in racist fringe ideas; that he takes cues from wholly disreputable sources; and that all of these characteristics make him unsuited to the most important position in the United States.

It also tied together two parts of Trump — his trafficking in racism and his conspiracy theorizing — that are often discussed as distinct phenomena.

Reporters, including myself, have sometimes written about Trump’s attitudes toward racial and religious minorities as a separate problem from his willingness to imply that Ted Cruz’s father helped assassinate JFK. But one of Clinton’s key contentions today was that these elements of Trumpism are really two sides of the same coin.

The "alt-right" belief that whites are a persecuted minority, she argued, is a conspiracy theory. The idea that Muslims have to be subjected to special treatment and the wild accusation that Hillary Clinton has a secret deadly illness may have entirely different casts. But they ultimately come from the same place — and belong in the same passage.

[snaff]

Hannity on Clinton on Trump on Fox.

[Darkflame]

We're [specially asks for data on how to reduce minority voting] not [their presidential candidate claims most Mexican immigrants are rapist and murders + wants to ban all muslims entering] Racist. You https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/sta ... 1266827264 are!!!!

[pogo]

It’s just Fox News. Their problem is that their audience is precisely the people supporting Trump. I mean not just Republicans but the less well-educated white ones that flock to Trump rallies. So no matter the racism, the deception, the abusive campaign Trump is running they have to support him, and parrot every nonsensical thing Trump says. So Trump calls Clinton a bigot? They do too.

The good thing is they are so extreme and partisan that the only people watching them are Trump supporters. They are not going to persuade anyone else to vote for him. They will just confirm to anyone tuning in accidentally that the only people supporting Trump now are ones peddling the same ridiculous racist lies and conspiracy theories.

[Darkflame]

I think thats optimistic. Fox news, sadly, is the most watched in the US. Its has strong republican ties for a long time now so its viewer base will be skewed towards republicans in general, not just Trump supporters.

[pogo]

It’s the most watched US cable news channel sure. But BBC News 24 is probably the most watched dedicated news channel here. And what’s its viewership, or share of the total audience? Cable news is a bit more important in the US than here, but the media landscape is more diverse and fragmented. The numbers watching Fox will be quite small.

It’s important to realise why it exists: it doesn’t exist to sway opinion. It exists because there’s a viewership for it. People who believe the conspiracy theories peddled by Trump and others, even before he became Republican candidate. I.e. people who buy into Trump’s racist world view. It certainly is not watched by all Republicans.

[IronGiant]

And here's Trump's latest thoughtless tweet:

"Dwyane Wade's cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in Chicago. Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 7887080449

This is in relation to the shooting of the cousin of NBA basketball player Dwyane Wade:

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/27/12670280/d ... wade-tweet

Trump once again shows that not only does he lack empathy, but that he will say ANYTHING if, in his demented little brain, he thinks it will somehow either win him votes or simply get his name rattling around the media. Again.

Naturally of course he's also only too happy to pat himself on the back and say "I told you so".

Trump truly is an odious individual who would not only sell his own grandmother, but would first eviscerate her and sell her organs. I can't think how any sane, decent person could vote for the guy.

[pogo]

Trump is going to Mexico, to meet the Mexican president, today. This will be worth watching. He will be limited by the niceties of diplomacy, of course, but uppermost in the Mexican president’s mind will the a number of facts.

* He really does not want Trump to win, for obvious reasons
* He wants to keep on the right side of the next president of the US, i.e. Clinton
* Mexicans probably hate Trump

So there’s no upside to being nice to Trump and making him look good. There are lots of reasons to try and undermine him and make him look bad. And that’s pretty easy to do. Try talking policy with him, talk in Spanish, or just put him next to some real politicians so people can compare and contrast them with a New York conman.

[KlaxonCow]

Well, the former Mexican president was pretty clear about what he thought of Trump's plans:



"I declare, I'm not going to pay for that fucking wall".

[F-ZeroOne]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37241284

"Applicants will be asked for their views about honour killings, about respect for women and gays and minorities, attitudes on radical Islam,"

Because only Muslims have problems with any of those issues, right?

[KlaxonCow]

Wouldn't the terrorists simply lie?

Asking people what their beliefs are is hardly a rigorous vetting process, let alone an "extreme" one. It's a rather obviously flawed vetting process, in fact, as if you know you're being assessed for having "American values" then you just answer the questions accordingly to get into the country, whether it's true or not.