Trump

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Here's something plucked at random haven't even watched though,

But we should? Its pretty easy to cut together non-stop lies, the question is ratio of footage to ratio of lies.
Its about scales. Hillary lied in the debate. Trump lied a lot more. Sometimes about ridiculously easy to disprove stuff ("I never said global warming was a hoax" "I was against the war in Iraq" "I cant release my taxs due to a audit"....etc. Over and over.).

To dismiss Trump as just a clown misses the fact that basically everything said against Hillary also applies to Trump , and often to a order of magnitude more.
Warmonger? Trump has stated many times the US should have taken Iraq's oil. Not something implied in a email, not something you can "read into" - outright stated in interviews. Undeniably being for a warcrime.

Its not that ones clean and the others not.
Its that for some reason one has every germ (often the same ones) magnified and the other is covered in equivalent filth that somehow gets ignored.

I've seen Clinton contradict herself before. You may have too if not it's worth seeing.

Both candidates are abhorrent. One is a caricature and extremely dangerous, but they are both sick fucks.

Whichever way it goes it doesn't feel like the world is geopolitically stable in 2016.

[gumboot]

"Severely compromised"? She might be a bit yuck, but they all are. Who would you have put up against Trump?

Keep in mind you have to choose someone from the US political arena. Not a cartoon character.

[Little stoned kiwi]

Who would you have put up against Trump?

Not a cartoon character.

Oh...

[gumboot]

Who would you have put up against Trump?

Not a cartoon character.

Oh...

I think they should amend the constitution to elimanate that restriction, really. It's holding things back.

That said; if Trump gets in they've essentially done it by precedent. President precedent.

[Little stoned kiwi]

If fictional characters were electable in the US, Jesus would be a shoe in.

[zip accident]

If fictional characters were electable in the US, Jesus would be a shoo in.

FTFY. Why do people get that one wrong?

[gumboot]

Jesus would be a sandal-in, anyway.

[venusian]

If fictional characters were electable in the US, Jesus would be a shoo in.

FTFY. Why do people get that one wrong?

It's a mute point, Shirley.

[pogo]

Another point about the debate, entertainingly highlighted by Sam Bee below, was that the sexism on show was more than just Trump’s many misogynist and offensive comments. It was his whole demeanour. Trump was a typical male ignorant boor who uses aggression and bullying to assert their dominance. We all know someone like this, down the pub or at work, who “wins” arguments by shouting down and getting in the face of others. And it’s in particular used by men to assert their dominance over women; women are often on the receiving end.

And Clinton handled him expertly, brushing aside his many bullying interruptions, not letting them stop her make her points. As this bullying is his only way of winning debates it effectively neutralised him, reducing him to the ignorant bigot he is. Even better Clinton did as much as she could to provoke him, knowing he is thin skinned and easily provoked, to ensure she would have lots of aggression to rise above.

It’s important as women voters in particular will recognise in Clinton someone much more like themselves than Trump. They were already mostly on her side but this will just reinforce that and perhaps persuade a few more Republican women that she is a much better candidate than Trump.

[KlaxonCow]

[pogo]

It’s only gotten worse for him. The debate seems to have been a tipping point, in all sorts of ways, especially the coverage which has used the debate to set up the most pro-Clinton/anti-Trump coverage in months.

The next debate in in ten days or so, and could be as bad or worse for Trump. He seems unwilling or unable to accept he did badly on Monday. The format is a “town hall“ debate, with members of the public asking questions, which will favour the candidate who is well prepared and has a depth of knowledge to draw on. I.e. Clinton.

And he threatened at the end of the last debate and since to be more negative. Everyone thinks that means bring up Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky but that would be a bad mistake, making Hillary Clinton seem sympathetic, reminding people again that Trump is a cruel bully bringing it up, even helping people compare the Clintons’ relatively normal marriage with Trump’s tabloid past. Ordinary people with excessive sexual needs visit prostitutes, in secret. Trump bought beauty contests so he leer at teenagers in swimsuits in public.

[Portland]

[Darkflame]

So,(old) taxs;
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-el ... ry-n658071

Leaked from a disgruntled worker no dought.

[pogo]

Yes, no wonder he does not want to release his tax returns. It’s bad in two ways. It highlights how the rich can abuse the tax system, paying little or no tax while enjoying a lavish lifestyle. And it shows how his claim of being a success is a lie, if he has spent much of his career paying no taxes because of massive losses. Mitt Romney had a similar problem – although he more exploited corporate bankruptcy than experienced them, he too was a billionaire, able to exploit the tax system to pay much less proportionately than ordinary Americans.

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So,(old) taxs;
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-el ... ry-n658071

Leaked from a disgruntled worker no dought.

Trump voters will love it if he avoided paying taxes.

Taxes are after, government theft !!