Trump

[guythp]

[edit] that would have worked better if I'd included the clip. Belm.

Sorry to go off topic, but I proper lolled there. Haven't heard that word in years.

[Cloudane]

Belm is popular on b3ta last I saw

The Trump supporter I was talking with (though not full support but a believer that he's the lesser of the two evils) gave a huuuuuge list of all the crap Hillary's done, his point being that she's obviously worse because of all these things. My counter is that she's actually been in a government position therefore has had the opportunity to do shitty stuff where he hasn't, but Trump based on the kind of things he says could well amass a much larger and nastier list by 2020.

Then it was like "well it doesn't matter how nasty a person he is {referring to his boasting about his Savile-like use of fame to commit sexual assaults}, as long as he does a good job"
I mean.. surely it does matter?! At what point do you say someone isn't a good person to lead the country - when they've boasted about abusing their fame for sexual assault isn't enough, is it when they've raped? When they've killed? Is there a line, where is it?
The comment about how his supporters will continue to vote for him even if he went out and shot someone or kicked a kitten, rings true.

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Haha, an hour to go and The Donald has invited Bill's accusers to sit in the audience of the debate.

It's all kicking off!

Using Don Logic does this mean his mrs, Melania, should be held responsible for his shittiness?

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It's happened, 20 mins in again and he's off script. Sniffing like a maniac and now saying when he's Prez there'll be a special Hilary prosecutor that'll sling her in jail.

[gumboot]

(and it's not exactly assault if there's consent, even if that consent is for a really lame reason)

Just wondering why that wasn't self-evident, since multiple sources are referring to sexual assault... I meant only consent to kissyface. The pussy-grabbing thing seems, to me, pretty obviously not a real thing but ill-conceived hyperbole. In this instance I'd guess that it's actually be so untrue that even Trump knew it was untrue when he said it and expected everybody around him to know it was untrue.

But he did say it. He has to live with that.


Only caught the tail end of the debate, and am now waiting for a live stream to be replaced with a pre-recorded video so I can watch the start.

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A few rumours circulating that Pence is going to quit as running mate after Trump shat on him during the debate.

[Cloudane]

Only seen the news article but it sounds frostier than a bowl of frosties in the peak of winter.

On the sexual assault thing, I don't think anyone's saying he's actually done it as there's just no-one coming forward claiming he has, but I listened to the clip where he said it and it did sound pretty literal. It didn't sound like a Clarkson style "silly lovable old git who's not afraid to make a few non-PC jokes", it really sounded like genuine "I am able to do this and can and will grab some pussies" bragging. I'm not full SJW 'interpret everything in the worst possible way' and would take it as Clarkson-style humour if that's how it came across, but to me it didn't. Guess it's down to individual interpretation really unless anyone proves otherwise.

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Only seen the news article but it sounds frostier than a bowl of frosties in the peak of winter.

On the sexual assault thing, I don't think anyone's saying he's actually done it.

Nah, I am.

HE DONE IT!

See?

[pogo]

Trump’s been accused of rape; once by his wife who later retracted it, and this:

Judge sets date for hearing of lawsuit accusing Donald Trump of underage rape

[Little stoned kiwi]

It goes further than Trump being sexist or racist though. It's if he would take advantage of people when he's in a position of authority.
Yes, yes he would. He's not sexist or racist because he marginalises women and ethnicities - he'd do it to anyone in equal measure.

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Pwnd.

[Cloudane]

I stand swiftly corrected.

Seemed like he really can get away with just about anything and still get the votes, but the cracks are starting to show now. Maybe we've finally discovered where the line is...

[pogo]

It’s desperation, combined with being totally out of touch with ordinary voters. It’s not just him but many Republicans who don’t get this: accusations about Bill Clinton’s infidelities did not hurt him when they were newsworthy. Republican attempts to exploit them politically helped him and made him more popular, his wife even more so. Republicans though are so blinded by their irrational hatred of any capable democrat that they magnify these vague accusations out of all proportion, and convince themselves it‘s far worse than it is.

So bringing it up now will only help Clinton, a little. Except, that is, it’s worse because Trump is asking. First it plays into his (self-inflicted) image as a bully, who uses threats and outlandish allegations to go after anyone he disagrees with. Second it invites everyone to compare Trump’s own record with Bill Clinton’s. Clinton was unfaithful but his wife stood by him. Trump was unfaithful while married and it led to his first divorce. Clinton was accused of rape, but it’s only an accusation, he has never been prosecuted. Trump was accused in his divorce case of rape, and now faces a potential court case over child rape. And of course the comparison is with Bill Clinton – Hillary is not accused of any of this.

The debate went better for Trump in many ways. Clinton struggled to explain how she would address some of the policy concerns of voters. Trump’s replies were nonsensical but Clinton’s were dense and technical. But the coverage won’t be about that but decades old stories of Bill Clinton’s affairs, as well as Trump’s ridiculous threat to jail Clinton. None of that will help Trump, it will just keep the focus on the worst areas for him.

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I stand swiftly corrected.

Seemed like he really can get away with just about anything and still get the votes, but the cracks are starting to show now.

If they are, he'll grab em

[Governmentyard]

Watched the whole thing live, for my sins. He pretty much failed to grab her by the policies.