Mixer that can send all channels individually over USB?

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You can use the tablet/phone app by connecting to the Air's built-in wifi hub but you can't stream audio over it.

I don't use that though. I have the air plugged into my wifi router via ethernet and I can connect to it from my normal home wifi.
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So can I connect the mixer to my wifi router (wireless) and be able to connect to the mixer using my PC via ethernet? If so, how? I already have my PC connected to the mixer using a USB 2 cable to receive the audio-out, but I want to control the mixer using my PC (that doesn't have wireless capability).
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I think it does have a wifi client mode but I haven't used it.

Can't you connect your XAir to the router via ethernet?
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gravy wrote:Can't you connect your XAir to the router via ethernet?
I can, but would prefer wireless control from PC as the cable situation is starting to get out of control.
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So if you plug your Xair into the wireless router via the ethernet you can do that.

I'm just wary of the built in Wifi, I used it for a bit but it used to be flakey. I don't think it's an issue of the Air but could be congestion caused by the two other wireless networks I have in the house :)
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gravy wrote:I'm just wary of the built in Wifi, I used it for a bit but it used to be flakey. I don't think it's an issue of the Air but could be congestion caused by the two other wireless networks I have in the house :)
Nah, I think it probably is a bit of an issue with the air. Couple of people I know who use Behringer mixers both use an external router.

Apparently the Midas version has a more robust wifi setup.
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I'm having an issue with my X Air XR18. I can't hear its output via my PC/Cubase. My PC is an Intel NUC (Intel Core i7 5557U). I'm just using the integrated Realtek HD audio at the moment with the ASIO4ALL driver, I'll be buying an external Asio USB soundcard are some point (soon) to replace this. In the Sound settings (Recording tab) the audio level bar responds to sound output from the device, and when I tick the "Listen to this device" checkbox in the Listen tab, I can hear the synth that's connected to the channel. However, when Cubase is open, I hear nothing, although the channel monitor in Cubase responds, indicating that it's receiving the audio signal. In the Sound settings Playback and Recording tabs, the X18 Line-Out channels are all present (4 pairs - 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8). All channels are set to 2 channel, 24-bit, 48000Hz. For the Playback and Recording settings, each channel pair is set to "Allow applications to take exclusive control of this device" and "Give exclusive mode applications priority". Here's my Studio Settings in Cubase:

https://imgur.com/bxU0msf

https://imgur.com/XHjsjyg

The monitor level for the relevant channel in X Air Edit also responds when the synth is played, and the channel is not on Mute.

Can anyone spot what the problem might be? At the moment, to get round the issue, I'm just connecting headphones directly to the mixer, but it's a mystery why I can't hear the output on my PC.
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Paging Zoot - he's the Cubase expert. I reckon that's your most likely culprit..
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It looks like your line out channels are not active in Cubase.
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Zoot wrote:It looks like your line out channels are not active in Cubase.
Lot of inactivity inputs too! That's a horrific latency and will be worse IRL (reported figures usually theoretical and with hidden buffers) but as you say an interim situation. You might want to have a snoop through this thread : https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-c ... -base.html

Beware the Zoom UAC-2. It has excellent latency but if you are running softsynths you may find you run out of steam quick. RME are a safe bet. I'm looking at Thunderbolt interfaces which are super low latency but expensive.
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I’ve been using RME since their first Gen - currently using a Fireface 800. Transparent and fast.
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Thanks for the info. I actually also have a much better PC than the NUC i7, that I only use for gaming. It has an Intel Core i7 8700K. Would the RME HDSPe AES card be appropriate for that? I'm not familiar with the inputs/outputs on that card though.
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That's a beast of a card! All digital too?

I went with the Fireface for a number of reasons. Having an internal card is potentialy restrictive. I started out with a Hammerfall Multiface, and ended up compromising when I upgraded my PC because I need to get a MOBO with some PCI slots on to hold the Hammerfall inteface card. Later, I upgraded again and had to buy the PCIe version of the card.

Accordingly, I decided to go with the Fireface because fireware cards are as cheap as chips for good quality, and it means that my Fireface will come with me on any future upgrades with very little effort. It's all external, and has a good range of analog i/o, as well as digital. Of course, now that I have sold all my outboard gear, the analog i/o is less important, but I can still use digital.

However, as ever, YMMV!
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I just want the device with the least latency. I have two hardware synths that I route into my PC via the X Air's USB-out and intend on using VSTs. It's only because of the VSTs that I need a low latency ASIO soundcard really, so I can monitor the X Air's USB-out + PC VSTs together. Unless there's a better solution? I don't do live performances, or anything like that, this is a strictly production setup. For MIDI I'm using a MOTU MIDI Express 128 (USB2 into PC).
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bcass wrote:I just want the device with the least latency. I have two hardware synths that I route into my PC via the X Air's USB-out and intend on using VSTs. It's only because of the VSTs that I need a low latency ASIO soundcard really, so I can monitor the X Air's USB-out + PC VSTs together. Unless there's a better solution? I don't do live performances, or anything like that, this is a strictly production setup. For MIDI I'm using a MOTU MIDI Express 128 (USB2 into PC).
You wouldn't believe the number of VSTs I run on my system at any one time - big, hungry beasts too. As I said at the beginning, it is transparent, and fast.

It's not just about latency, though - memory is the key, lots of it. I have 32GB in this system, and would like even more :-)
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