Trump

[gilesgoat]

Obligatory 'intermission' ( still in theme with Trump )

[Harlequin]

When you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

He could shoot someone in the street and get away with it.

[PFVA]

Let's see. He's going around promoting the Ultra Nationalist parties of Europe. He wants the European members of Nato to double their investment in defence, and he is promoting the desunion of the European Union. Either he doesn't know what he is doing and he can cause a European war or the objective could be to bring Europe to the break of war and then stop it, his country being the dominant force, imposing his ideas, economic models, etc.

[tufty]

Both of the above are options, as is the option "both of the above".

He's touring the world, spreading a message of peace, love, and no fucking muslims.

[merman]

Both of the above are options, as is the option "both of the above".

He's touring the world, spreading a message of peace, love, and no fucking muslims.

Every time he opens his mouth out spews more lies.

And there's no way Theresa May will "stand up" to him on human rights, trade tariffs or anything else. Brexit Britain needs a US trade deal.

[zip accident]

I don't yet think that Putin is as bad as Hitler (or far that matter Stalin or Mao) was, however I think he has a much better chance at being king of the world, and even so the odds are against him.

[PFVA]

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Trump sides with Russia against FBI at Helsinki summit

"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it should be," he replied.

US intelligence agencies concluded in 2016 that Russia was behind an effort to tip the scale of the US election against Hillary Clinton, with a state-authorised campaign of cyber attacks and fake news stories planted on social media.

I'm not sure how common it has ever been the President of a country taking the side of a foreign power against its own Defence Agencies. At least in the open.

Note: Not that is uncommon foreign powers trying to influence the vote on elections in other countries, and one cannot say either that US Governments never did that to others.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812

[F-ZeroOne]

If one were being incredibly generous, one could state that Trump perhaps has a point about trying to forge better relationships with potential adversaries. But trashing your own intelligence agencies, who have provided you with strong evidence that adversary may have manipulated you into your current position by interfering with the democratic process, after visiting an ally where that adversary very likely carried out a chemical warfare attack resulting in the death of an innocent person... well, as so often with Trump, there are no words. Though some people have pointed out one that possibly fits.

Speaking of "ones", one may have been teaching the President the meaning of the word "subtle" recently...

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/07/17/qu ... ead-today/

[gilesgoat]

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Trump sides with Russia against FBI at Helsinki summit

"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it should be," he replied.

US intelligence agencies concluded in 2016 that Russia was behind an effort to tip the scale of the US election against Hillary Clinton, with a state-authorised campaign of cyber attacks and fake news stories planted on social media.

I'm not sure how common it has ever been the President of a country taking the side of a foreign power against its own Defence Agencies. At least in the open.

Note: Not that is uncommon foreign powers trying to influence the vote on elections in other countries, and one cannot say either that US Governments never did that to others.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812

Elections "directly" I don't know, but trying to influence politics of other countries I think it's quite safe to say US does it ALL THE TIME.

Now is it Russia doing "same/more/less" than US ?

Mah I'd dare to say "depends on what countries/influences" I am quite sure "some are more targeted than others" but it would certainly be "quite a first" if Russia someway "directly" tried to influence US politics/elections.

There are various rumors, conspiracy theories, many things that then turned out to be absolutely true in which USA done many things to influence politics of other nations.

You should "investigate" Paula for example the so called "years of lead" or "years of terror" and the movements of "red and black brigades" in Italy.

Now those were years where in Italy there was "a wave of communist terrorism" where "supposedly deranged communist terrorist groups" done a lot in Italy so much that Italian politics was stirred away from being "too friendly with Russia and eastern Europe countries" and "more friendly with the West and USA" and "strangely enough" allow "our alleys" to have military bases on certain strategic places in the land ...

You can see why it was "someway very convenient" that "there was some really bad communists people in Italy trying to hurt us and we needed protection" ( in return for something ) ...

People disappeared, story been mixed, documents vanished, people died at the hands of some "terrorists" for various reasons, secret services that nobody really knew what they were really doing/for, a mess.

Yet there's been many times mention there and there of involvement of CIA and other agencies.

I don't think is "so unusual" they tried to influence the politics of a foreign nation ...

[F-ZeroOne]

Trump is now claiming he "misspoke":

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44864739

Compare his original statement on Russia with his concise, clear and completely not misspoken comments on his UK visit:

Russia:

"When asked if he would directly condemn Russia and Mr Putin on election meddling, Mr Trump said his intelligence officials - including Director of Intelligence Dan Coats - have told him "they think it's Russia". Mr Putin, he continued, just told him it's not Russia.

"I don't see any reason why it would be," Mr Trump concluded..."

UK:

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/07/16/th ... ump-words/

I can give him a pass on the UK/England/Britain confusion because that catches out a lot of British people. The rest is pretty much gabble.

[Muttley]

[PFVA]

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I'm not sure how common it has ever been the President of a country taking the side of a foreign power against its own Defence Agencies. At least in the open.

Note: Not that is uncommon foreign powers trying to influence the vote on elections in other countries, and one cannot say either that US Governments never did that to others.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812

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You should "investigate" Paula for example the so called "years of lead" or "years of terror" and the movements of "red and black brigades" in Italy.

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Yeah! I know about those, and there was stuff in other countries too.

That's why i don't like when they start playing the 'Innocence' card. I mean we know that using different means, some ilegal or even violent, they all try to influence others. It annoys me more when they start claiming they're so innocent, they never do that than when they admit doing it.

[IronGiant]

So Putin cut off Trump's todger ........... ?

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving person.

[merman]

There's a few Republicans waking up to what they've done.. Hopefully the mid-terms will spike his guns, that's if Mueller hasn't got him first...

[snaff]

All seems a lot of fuss over nothing. Trump's a good way into his probably eight-year term now and nothing bad has happened. Civilisation continues to decline at the same pace it did under Oback Orama and George Bush, but we've had a few laughs along the way. Generally very positive.