Minotaur Arcade Vol 1 (Gridrunner/Goatup)

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Re: Minotaur Arcade Vol 1 (Gridrunner/Goatup)

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Markie wrote:
ESY wrote:Giles?? PS4 info please :-)
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Stephen wrote:Hoping for PS4 release soon :skip:
Indeed, Giles! Any sign of a release date?
Stephen wrote:Hoping for PS4 release soon :skip:
Gentle nudge ;-) :skip:
I also nudged Sony yesterday, waiting for an email with some info, fundamentally we need to get back from them in order to know 'what we still need' to get "the product codes", without those I can not progress in any way.

.. beureacracy .. and things seems to be 'a bit slow' at the moment for reasons I really don't know.
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Gah! And here was me hoping you guys would surprise us by being in the PS+ next month...
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TFO wrote:Gah! And here was me hoping you guys would surprise us by being in the PS+ next month...
Look, maybe I am even saying something I should not say, I am starting to be "lightly worried" about "what's going on with Sony" ?

The responses/stuff seems a bit "confused/slow", it's like "there's something else in their minds" - maybe it's really all this move out from UK going on ???? - I DO NOT KNOW, but one thing is certain things are MUCH different than how they were some years ago, I am waiting for replies, I already sent various emails.

Until I don't obtain two "product codes" there's absolutely nothing that can be done without those, "there's no product" to be published anywhere.

Definitely "some big changes" are going on and "things are not like used to be" that's all I can say for the moment, communication is a bit slow.

Fingers crossed, I'll wait a bit more I'll send another email, that's all I can do.
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Re: Minotaur Arcade Vol 1 (Gridrunner/Goatup)

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In the meantime, has anyone tried to play Minotaur Arcade using Trinius VR (PC software to use PSVR headset as a Steam VR headset)

I might give it a go at the weekend and report back if noone else has attempted it
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Giles thanks for the kind of update. Fingers crossed!
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I am started to be a bit worried because I don't know what's going on .. two more emails .. no replies .. "not a word from Sony yet" ...

But I'll keep posting.
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gilesgoat wrote:I am started to be a bit worried because I don't know what's going on .. two more emails .. no replies .. "not a word from Sony yet" ...

But I'll keep posting.
Odd no? Why on earth would this be? They are usually very happy to have cool stuff to sell, sounds bizarre to me! and frustrating for you would imagine Giles.
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gilesgoat wrote:I am started to be a bit worried because I don't know what's going on .. two more emails .. no replies .. "not a word from Sony yet" ...

But I'll keep posting.
Odd no? Why on earth would this be? They are usually very happy to have cool stuff to sell, sounds bizarre to me! and frustrating for you would imagine Giles.
I am starting to be really worried "something is wrong somewhere", we used to have quite nice communication/etc. things are definitely changed, there's something going on somewhere and I have not a clue what it is.

To give you an idea, MA Vol1 for PS4 is *COMPLETED* but without a 'product code', there's no product, there's nothing we can publish, there's nothing we can do,it's just a piece of PS4 code laying there on an DevKit waiting to get published ..

I have NO IDEA what's going on, everything begins to sound 'a bit mysterious' unfortunately we have only one person at Sony that is "our main contact" and that's it, I would not have a clue "if there's anyone else we could get in touch with".

My feeling is that 'things are changing' and I dunno how, "Indie stuff we love you" that time is long gone, it's not that time now, the problem I really don't know what's their definition of "cool" at the moment and/or who/what is in charge of that ( i.e. to define what 'cool' is ) anyway 'don't blame us, it's not or fault', told you there's a lot of "digital bureaucracy".
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gilesgoat wrote:
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gilesgoat wrote:I am started to be a bit worried because I don't know what's going on .. two more emails .. no replies .. "not a word from Sony yet" ...

But I'll keep posting.
Odd no? Why on earth would this be? They are usually very happy to have cool stuff to sell, sounds bizarre to me! and frustrating for you would imagine Giles.
I am starting to be really worried "something is wrong somewhere", we used to have quite nice communication/etc. things are definitely changed, there's something going on somewhere and I have not a clue what it is.

To give you an idea, MA Vol1 for PS4 is *COMPLETED* but without a 'product code', there's no product, there's nothing we can publish, there's nothing we can do,it's just a piece of PS4 code laying there on an DevKit waiting to get published ..

I have NO IDEA what's going on, everything begins to sound 'a bit mysterious' unfortunately we have only one person at Sony that is "our main contact" and that's it, I would not have a clue "if there's anyone else we could get in touch with".

My feeling is that 'things are changing' and I dunno how, "Indie stuff we love you" that time is long gone, it's not that time now, the problem I really don't know what's their definition of "cool" at the moment and/or who/what is in charge of that ( i.e. to define what 'cool' is ) anyway 'don't blame us, it's not or fault', told you there's a lot of "digital bureaucracy".
It's certainly bad business practice on their part if nothing else!
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I don't have the competence, the knowledge and the information to make a judgment if that's bad or not bad business practice.

Also depends "bad for who" .. certainly in a perfect world - which is far from perfect - 'everyone should be happy', consumers, developers, publishers, etc.

In the recent times and years I've seen so many times things that "from my side of view of things" are againist logic and/or what I would do but that's my side of the view only and I cannot know all the other sides.

There are so many things that for me are 'complete nonsense' and yet they are.

Anyway back from Manchester and seeing the people and 'the vibe' at a real Arcade place made me think 'there's still interest in some stuff and with a bit of work you can make it work', you will never probably get not even close to the gazillions of millions certain big products ( or most popular products ) do but there's still space for something unique/different/a different option.

Certainly maybe if you are going to spend $too-much-money on developing and "semi old style arcade game" and then complain "it did not make $100,000,000 it made only $50,000,000 arcade is dead" IMHO "you are doing it totally wrong" likewise if you are into some of those projects that seems to be "indie" and drag on for years making costs grow exponentially.

There's been some timeless classic games that been made on really low budgets and often in a hurry of time and yet they became "legends".

Also I dare to say "there's the world of photo realistic stuff" but that's ONE of the many worlds not all that is, to be really honest going around shooting monsters/real people in war simulations/stuff or seeing myself like Kratos super pumped or that teen-ager something with the MEGA-sword chopping away shit .. "I truly cannot identify with that sort of game", it's not me, it can't be me.

Makes me feel like "who am I ? A middle age man with a depression/identity crisis ?" no I am not.

Then there's the other aspect.

So you may say "ok and why then you can 'identify' by begin a pixelated penguin in a maze pushing ice blocks around ?" what sense does it make ?

Oh there comes "the age", there's so much more about that, the memories, the first time I saw that game with some friends on th e back room of that bar that had an "arcade room". my jaw dropping at that borealis animation - never seen before a color cycling so colorful - the game that was looking cute and being "£$£"$ difficult ! The effect when you align the 3 diamond blocks .. and .. a weird thing that is "one of those memories I'll bring down to the grave with me" I remember being fascinated by seeing the penguin bouncing the 'N' of "Push ButtoN" when you insert the coin.

I don't know "one of those things" I found it so funny/different I was just happy to watch that.

And when I play a game like this "everything starts to click" and those feelings with those summers with my friends going around bars looking for "some new videogame we haven't seen yet" ...

I could write a book about all those things, maybe I should.

Anyway I feel "lot more happy and lot more myself" in pushing ice blocks than killing shit with a big sword or such.

Or shooting at colourful pixelated aliens that look like strange insects.

And from what I've seen, there's still space for this and that.

"You don't need to make $1,000,000 to be rich" .. man "rich" such a concept ...
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Wrote again .. "out of the office, back at X" ..

.. let's see after X then ..
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Sounds like it’s not just you Giles:

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/02/ ... me_to_psvr
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TFO wrote:Sounds like it’s not just you Giles:

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/02/ ... me_to_psvr
I just sent another email, if they don't reply "soon" I'll begin to think "for reasons totally unknown to us we lost Sony" :(

I mean really at this point it's truly like "everyone is clammed up and are not talking", thing is in our case "the game is totally completed" we don't need funding, we don't need anything, the only thing we need is 'the go publish it' and that's all about it.

As far as I know last time we did talk in London "they still want PSVR" actually I think would be much more difficult to push an indie game NON PSVR in this moment.

But admittedly now "I am a bit fearful" this is the kind of atmosphere/vibe were you'd expect to hear in any moment a "Btw, we are all fired, there's no one left you know there, they are all gone".

I hope the next email i am going to get it's not along the lines "Oh no btw he's no longer with us he left the company 3 days ago" ... and/or then found out that 3/4 of the whole division does not exist any more .. which .. is kinda already happening.

It's also possible there's one person left to deal with all the 'indie' 'in the spare time' while he's made to jump into 200 other things.

All those huge companies at some point seem to go into some 'weird restructuring' where someone 'with great ideas' thinks it's better to change things in other ways, I am starting to ask myself IF there will/is going to be space for "indie" on consoles in the future :?

But yeah we have no idea what's going on, it's total silence.
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Have spoken on Twitter to Shahid Ahmad.

He says that Jeff can DM him to see if Shahid has a contact there who can help.

I’ve Tweeted this to Jeff too.
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Maybe get the XBox One submission application started? Might as well do something positive while waiting for Sony to do something.

Also, in the future, I would advise you to keep things out of social media about Sony business or any business towards the console vendors. I know it was nice that Polybius made a profit for you guys but to point out that their accounts department made a mistake through the year may ruffle Sony a bit. When NDAs get signed anything business related or the process that involves should be kept private between you and the NDA owner.

But hopefully, you will get back on the Sony platform.
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